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Mar 19 2016 02:27am

Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Mar 19 2016 12:29am)

Well, he stopped posting in PaRD, same thing.

Anyway, it's impossible to either prove or disprove the existence of God. Taking in subjective experiences and using them to draw conclusions regarding objective truths is the only thing that any of us can do. The very inputs that we use to know anything other than the inside of our own minds are unreliable, let alone the weakness of relying upon conclusions that we draw within our own conscious mind. Therefore, taking in an experience that one feels 'proves' the existence of a deity and using that to believe that said deity objectively exists is no less logical than several other assumptions that any given person carries around on any given day.

Also, given the subjectivity of said experience, there's not going to be any way that anyone changes their mind over a subjective experience like that through flat-out argumentation. I suppose the occasional kid raised in the church who just never questioned it may happen by and be convincible, but generally speaking, people who believe in God have already wrestled harder and longer with these questions than anyone who thinks they have a good argument against the existence of God has.

tl;dr - you're all wrong and the above is the only correct answer regarding the existence of God, so I'm not giving you a tl;dr version, pwnt

ultra agree

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Mar 19 2016 04:10am

What religion predated "The Dream Time"?
No, the church of scientology although does refer to Aliens advertising the earth as an intergalactic tax haven, you must remember it started out as a fictional book by Ron Hubbard and chaining the aliens to a volcano to blow the aliens apart into tiny neutrinos that are the life force of this world to this day.
Like I said, I love idiots like Tom. Why doesn't he do a Hollywood version of his screwed up religion?

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Mar 19 2016 05:45am

Quote (saintan @ 19 Mar 2016 10:10)

What religion predated "The Dream Time"?
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since "the dream time" is the creation myth within the various australian aboriginal religions, no religion can
but the question is flawed, it is just like asking 'which religion was before adam and eve?'
there is no clear evidence when the various australian aboriginal religions evolved but they certainly belong to the oldest extant religions, likely having their roots well before the various monotheistic religions

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Mar 19 2016 03:14pm

Quote (CPK001 @ Mar 19 2016 02:42am)

Then who is Matthew, Mark and John?

Around about 20 years after. 20 years isn't all that long ago to interview many eyewitnesses.

Luke, a doctor, has carefully investigated the eyewitness reports and written up an account of Jesus. The thing is, there are so many people who have done all of he investigation for us.

All they have done is written down. All we need to do is read up on their report.

http://www.biblestudy.org/beginner/when-was-new-testament-written.html
35AD

http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=aa11
Puts it at 50AD

According to the bibe study site Luke wasn't even written till 59AD. Hardly a good source.

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Mar 19 2016 04:30pm

fairytalesstudy.com seriously, its their job they would not start to say it's maybe bullshit or fairly totally unsure anyway.

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Mar 19 2016 05:37pm

Quote (CPK001 @ Mar 19 2016 01:42am)

Then who is Matthew, Mark and John?

Not the authors

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Mar 20 2016 02:55am

Quote (brmv @ Mar 19 2016 11:45am)

No way, I was just dribbling as I always do and did not expect an educated response.
Supposed educated guesses put Adam and Eve around 8,000 years ago and since biblicly age has generally been associated with wisdom (forget job) then the Dream Time out-ranks all others after it.
IT BELONGS TO THEM, LETS GIVE IT BACK.
By law, this cannot be denied.

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Mar 20 2016 05:48am

Quote (saintan @ 20 Mar 2016 08:55)

...Supposed educated guesses put Adam and Eve around 8,000 years ago ...

educated christians (apart form some misguided evangelicals) accept evolution
btw, sorry for disrupting your dribbling and will abstain from commenting on the rest of your response

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Mar 20 2016 05:49am

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I could be wrong, 20, 35, 50 years after. Still not that long after the events.

Then there is the Muslims who were formed 600 years after the events of Jesus. So in one case you have eye witness testimony written within the same generation then you have the Muslims, somehow having attained new knowledge 600 years after the events of Jesus.

I do not see how new evidence can be attained 600 years after an event has occurred. Just imagine in about 500 years from now somebody will receive unheard of knowledge that the Titanic was sunk on purpose, that the captain steered towards the iceberg on purpose.

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