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Dec 4 2022 08:33am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 4 Dec 2022 15:27)
That's not something specific to the Russian orthodox church. Over the past century, the mainstream church has happily collaborated with the nazis, with Mussolini, with the military dictatorships in Latin America and with all sorts of warlords in Africa. Going beyond Christianity, you have religious institutions supporting radical zionists in Israel, the Mullah regime in Iran, an infinite amount of Sunni extremists and terorist militias, and the military dictatorship in Myanmar.

Tldr: mainstream religious institutions are trash and always willing to betray their purported values to cozy up to whoever is in power at any given moment. Which is also why mainstream Christian churches in Europe and NA are lately embracing wokism and climate change hysteria.


You are doing some kind of very weird almagaming IMO

The level of integration of Orthodox Church in Russia with secret services is simply inequaled in the WEST.

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Dec 4 2022 08:40am
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You are doing some kind of very weird almagaming IMO

The level of integration of Orthodox Church in Russia with secret services is simply inequaled in the WEST.

Maybe, but again: the Russia Orthodox Church sucking up to Putin is what we would expect anyway, no matter if they're infiltrated by the KGB/FSB or not.
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Dec 4 2022 08:52am
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Maybe, but again: the Russia Orthodox Church sucking up to Putin is what we would expect anyway, no matter if they're infiltrated by the KGB/FSB or not.


I think we can formulate it like this: when the war ended the part of the church who collaborated with nazi disapeared along with its eventual network.
But not in Russia with soviet power, incrased for decades and then followed the move with Putin.
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Dec 4 2022 09:08am
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I think we can formulate it like this: when the war ended the part of the church who collaborated with nazi disapeared along with its eventual network.
But not in Russia with soviet power, incrased for decades and then followed the move with Putin.


I can't speak for France, but here in Germany, the church definitely didn't get rid of the parts which collaborated with the nazis.
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Dec 4 2022 09:15am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 4 Dec 2022 16:08)
I can't speak for France, but here in Germany, the church definitely didn't get rid of the parts which collaborated with the nazis.


For sure, it's not completely gone, along with the nazis. Vastly diminished.
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Dec 4 2022 10:20am
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For sure, it's not completely gone, along with the nazis. Vastly diminished.


It got diminished because the way the wind was blowing, politically and ideologically, changed drastically after the end of the the war. The churches just went along with it, like they always do.
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Dec 4 2022 10:53am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 4 Dec 2022 17:20)
It got diminished because the way the wind was blowing, politically and ideologically, changed drastically after the end of the the war. The churches just went along with it, like they always do.


Btw it's hardly comparable: on one hand you have a whole church completely controlled by the FSB/KGB at the top of its hierarchy.
On the other hand you can have far right influence on de-centralized, very rural & conservatives, churches or local religious entities. Thinking about US & their right wing pastors.
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Dec 4 2022 01:07pm
Russian president Vladimir Putin has reportedly slipped down five stairs and soiled himself at his official residence in Moscow, amid speculation about the 70-year-old's declining health. The New York Post reported Vladimir Putin's fall quoting a Telegraph Channel that claimed that the Russian leader landed on his coccyx or tailbone during the fall, which caused him to "involuntarily defecate" due to the "cancer affecting his stomach and bowels".

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Russian president Vladimir Putin has reportedly slipped down five stairs and soiled himself at his official residence in Moscow, amid speculation about the 70-year-old's declining health. The New York Post reported Vladimir Putin's fall quoting a Telegraph Channel that claimed that the Russian leader landed on his coccyx or tailbone during the fall, which caused him to "involuntarily defecate" due to the "cancer affecting his stomach and bowels".

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Yes this "news" continue to run around, weird.

Here's the original source, from a former russian official with a weird youtube channel, so there's no video document proving it happened.


(google translate russian to english)

"
Dear subscribers and guests of the channel! Yesterday, Russian President Vladimir Putin had a very difficult day, which ended quite dramatically. Wednesday morning began for Putin with a depressing report on the state of the Russian economy and, as a result, a forecast of worsening the situation in the near future. The sanctions imposed on Russia due to the invasion of Ukraine have a heavy impact on the country's economy and the effect of these sanctions is growing and intensifying over time. The main problems in the Russian economy, according to the forecasts of the authors of the report, will come in the period of late spring - early summer of next year, and it is not possible to avoid a negative scenario today. It should be noted that the forecast was made without taking into account the possible announcement of general mobilization in the country and martial law, which Vladimir Putin has in his plans, which undoubtedly only worsens the forecasts.
In the afternoon, Putin was upset by the news from the front. Promises by the leadership of the military bloc to capture several settlements before the start of winter, including Bakhmut (called Artemovsk in reports to Putin) in the Donetsk region of Ukraine, were not realized. Moreover, yesterday the leadership of the military bloc was not ready to guarantee the president a significant advance on any sector of the front before the New Year. Putin was informed that the cold snap, which is predicted for early December in the Luhansk region, could be used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine for an offensive, and in this case, it would be very problematic to keep territories in the north-west of the region.
In the evening, Putin had a telephone conversation with President of Uzbekistan Shavkat Mirziyoyev. The conversation touched upon plans for the future and the development of joint projects. No agreements were reached as a result of the conversation, or rather, they agreed to negotiate.
Truly dramatic events for Putin took place in the evening at his residence. Going down the stairs, Putin stumbled and fell to the fifth point, after which he fell on his side and slid down a couple of steps. The incident took place in front of the president's bodyguards, who quickly reacted and rushed to Putin's aid. Three security officers helped the president to get to the nearest sofa and called the doctors who are on duty at the residence. Medics arrived within a few minutes, but could not immediately examine the president. Putin suffers from oncology of the gastrointestinal tract, as a result of which he already experiences serious problems with digestion, and as a result of the fall, as it turned out, the main blow fell on the coccyx, which probably caused sharp pain, provoking involuntary defecation. If Putin used to wear special waterproof underwear with an absorbent effect, then recently he neglects these precautions, as it turned out in vain. Before the examination, the doctors escorted the president to the bathroom and helped to clean up, and at the same time conducted an initial examination. After a complete examination and examination, a bruise of the coccyx and soft tissues was diagnosed. Nothing critical, the president's health was stable closer to the night, he can move independently, complaints of pain in the coccyx when sitting are the only thing that worries Putin. At night he took painkillers. In the near future, an investigation will be carried out, which provoked the fall of the president. He wears special shoes, even at home with anti-slip surfaces, and the stairs in the residence are considered "safe". As it turns out, all precautions are in vain when nerves go to hell.
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Dec 4 2022 01:24pm
Wishful thinking if you ask me. And it's not like Putin's successor would be any better anyway.
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