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Apr 19 2021 11:35pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 19 Apr 2021 22:07)
Nah dude. There's lots of other platforms that nobody here would label as conspiracy theorist. Like, you think Vimeo is mostly conspiracy content? I don't think anybody else does. Bitchute is a special and specific case that specifically caters to conspiratorial videos.


So your problem with bitchute isn't that it doesn't have all the other videos that are on all the other platforms. Your problem with bitchute is that there are videos you label as "conspiracy theory" videos because they simply do not censor the content of their creators?

Not entirely certain how that's a bad thing. Are "conspiracy theories" illegal? If so, I tend to think "RussiaGate" should put the entire MSM out of business too, don't you? Nah, it's about perspective. You don't like bitchute because it hasn't banned specific viewpoints you don't like. And you're willing to dismiss everything else on the platform wholesale due to the minority of videos that include that content.

Talk about active discrimination.
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Apr 19 2021 11:39pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Apr 20 2021 01:21am)
bitchute gets business because youtube practices censorship only what they approve of gets out. that makes them fascists.


None of these social media companies have to uphold the First Amendment from a legal standpoint, but I do agree that it does set up for a slippery slope when you make arbritary rules even if the conspiracies are dangerous misinformation. Either way, it doesn't discount the fac that bitchute primarily hosts conspiracy content so it's normal for people not to take it seriously. If it weren't conspiratorial diarrhea, it would have a much more diverse audience.

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Apr 19 2021 11:49pm
Quote (kenw @ 19 Apr 2021 22:39)
None of these social media companies have to uphold the First Amendment from a legal standpoint, but I do agree that it does set up for a slippery slope when you make arbritary rules even if the conspiracies are dangerous misinformation. Either way, it doesn't discount the fac that bitchute primarily hosts conspiracy content so it's normal for people not to take it seriously. If it weren't conspiratorial diarrhea, it would have a much more diverse audience.


I would question what "dangerous misinformation" exists, to be honest. Do you mean like Fauci saying masks would not help prevent the spread of Covid back in February/March of 2020, for instance? Now I know, I know, the excuse is, "Hey, we wanted to make sure hospitals had enough of a supply!" Sure. I get that. But advising the public, "We have a health issue, masks may help. We advise against purchasing them at this point unless you are or work around the elderly or hospitals, as supplies are dangerously limited."

When public officials actively lie to us, what do you describe as "dangerous misinformation"? I'd rather stupid content be freely available to whoever wants to watch whenever they want to watch it. Why? It's easier to debunk stupid material that you can see. On the flipside, if material is ghosted and you can't access it, it almost adds a layer of credibility to it. Like, who's going to bother banning flat earth videos? We know that's all nonsense. Yet legitimate concerns about a virus, vaccines for a virus, etc. are now a bannable offense? Questioning the flip-flopping of public officials, the CDC, and the WHO is bannable?

Honestly, you should be incredibly happy platforms such as bitchute exist. Given that such platforms are how people share information, the only reason Youtube, Facebook, and Twitter does not become "public utilities" like the telephone services, where censorship becomes 100% illegal, is due strictly to the fact that there ARE competitors who refuse to censor.

So far from hating on bitchute, everyone should be encouraging it. If the bitchutes and DLives and gabs and locals and Minds and whatever other networks out there all fail, that's the point where the government can and will step in to regulate. As it stands now, regulation is unlikely specifically due to the fact that there are viable alternatives. Meanwhile, you can live safe and secure in your own little bubble where you don't have to risk receiving content that does not provide confirmation bias.
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Apr 19 2021 11:51pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 20 2021 12:35am)
So your problem with bitchute isn't that it doesn't have all the other videos that are on all the other platforms. Your problem with bitchute is that there are videos you label as "conspiracy theory" videos because they simply do not censor the content of their creators?

Not entirely certain how that's a bad thing. Are "conspiracy theories" illegal? If so, I tend to think "RussiaGate" should put the entire MSM out of business too, don't you? Nah, it's about perspective. You don't like bitchute because it hasn't banned specific viewpoints you don't like. And you're willing to dismiss everything else on the platform wholesale due to the minority of videos that include that content.

Talk about active discrimination.


Your problem with conversation in general is you try to argue with extreme positions you want your opponent to take, instead of the positions they are taking. You do it literally every time you have a conversation.
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Apr 20 2021 12:02am
Quote (kenw @ Apr 20 2021 01:39am)
None of these social media companies have to uphold the First Amendment from a legal standpoint, but I do agree that it does set up for a slippery slope when you make arbritary rules even if the conspiracies are dangerous misinformation. Either way, it doesn't discount the fac that bitchute primarily hosts conspiracy content so it's normal for people not to take it seriously. If it weren't conspiratorial diarrhea, it would have a much more diverse audience.


The sooner you understand that every news outlet is a copy pasta of this the sooner you start to wake up :


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Apr 20 2021 12:08am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 19 Apr 2021 22:51)
Your problem with conversation in general is you try to argue with extreme positions you want your opponent to take, instead of the positions they are taking. You do it literally every time you have a conversation.


I directly addressed your argument. Bitchute does not "cater" to any specific content. Bitchute simply refuses to censor content based on the political climate of the moment.

Your problem is when you cannot answer a simple question regarding the lack of logic in your posts, you immediately devolve into personal attacks. Let's try simple facts: When I go to bitchute and type in cat videos, I get thousands of results of cat videos that have nothing to do with conspiracy theories. When I enter in "Metallica" I receive hundreds of results for Metallica songs, videos, concerts, and interviews. As it turns out, no conspiracy theories.

Bitchute does not "cater" to conspiracy theories. Your claim is false. Bitchute simply refuses to censor content that is labeled as a conspiracy theory. Why? Well, why should they? Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, even if it's stupid or wrong. To once again quote your claim:

Quote (Thor123422 @ 19 Apr 2021 22:07)
Bitchute is a special and specific case that specifically caters to conspiratorial videos.


Fact Check: False.

Bitchute allows users to upload whatever content they want as long as it's legal. They refuse to censor legal content. Are there content creators who specifically focus on conspiracy theories? Sure! Does that mean Bitchute specifically caters to them? No. They simply don't censor them.

I get that you're pro-censorship. And that's fine. We're all entitled to our own opinions. Just try to be honest about it.
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Apr 20 2021 12:09am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 20 2021 02:08am)
I directly addressed your argument. Bitchute does not "cater" to any specific content. Bitchute simply refuses to censor content based on the political climate of the moment.

Your problem is when you cannot answer a simple question regarding the lack of logic in your posts, you immediately devolve into personal attacks. Let's try simple facts: When I go to bitchute and type in cat videos, I get thousands of results of cat videos that have nothing to do with conspiracy theories. When I enter in "Metallica" I receive hundreds of results for Metallica songs, videos, concerts, and interviews. As it turns out, no conspiracy theories.

Bitchute does not "cater" to conspiracy theories. Your claim is false. Bitchute simply refuses to censor content that is labeled as a conspiracy theory. Why? Well, why should they? Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, even if it's stupid or wrong. To once again quote your claim:



Fact Check: False.

Bitchute allows users to upload whatever content they want as long as it's legal. They refuse to censor legal content. Are there content creators who specifically focus on conspiracy theories? Sure! Does that mean Bitchute specifically caters to them? No. They simply don't censor them.

I get that you're pro-censorship. And that's fine. We're all entitled to our own opinions. Just try to be honest about it.


GL with that. Kinda gave up with him. You can read him like an open book.

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Apr 20 2021 12:13am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 20 2021 01:08am)
I directly addressed your argument. Bitchute does not "cater" to any specific content. Bitchute simply refuses to censor content based on the political climate of the moment.

Your problem is when you cannot answer a simple question regarding the lack of logic in your posts, you immediately devolve into personal attacks. Let's try simple facts: When I go to bitchute and type in cat videos, I get thousands of results of cat videos that have nothing to do with conspiracy theories. When I enter in "Metallica" I receive hundreds of results for Metallica songs, videos, concerts, and interviews. As it turns out, no conspiracy theories.

Bitchute does not "cater" to conspiracy theories. Your claim is false. Bitchute simply refuses to censor content that is labeled as a conspiracy theory. Why? Well, why should they? Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, even if it's stupid or wrong. To once again quote your claim:

Fact Check: False.

Bitchute allows users to upload whatever content they want as long as it's legal. They refuse to censor legal content. Are there content creators who specifically focus on conspiracy theories? Sure! Does that mean Bitchute specifically caters to them? No. They simply don't censor them.

I get that you're pro-censorship. And that's fine. We're all entitled to our own opinions. Just try to be honest about it.


One of us is pro-censorship, and it's probably the one crying to mods :D

I googled BitChute and actually found this, that pretty perfectly supports my argument lol. You can upload whatever you want, but the thing that gets virtually all the engagement on the platform is conspiracy theories.

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2020arXiv200401984T/abstract

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In this paper, we characterize the content and discourse on BitChute, a social video-hosting platform. Launched in 2017 as an alternative to YouTube, BitChute joins an ecosystem of alternative, low content moderation platforms, including Gab, Voat, Minds, and 4chan. Uniquely, BitChute is the first of these alternative platforms to focus on video content and is growing in popularity. Our analysis reveals several key characteristics of the platform. We find that only a handful of channels receive any engagement, and almost all of those channels contain conspiracies or hate speech.This high rate of hate speech on the platform as a whole, much of which is anti-Semitic, is particularly concerning. Our results suggest that BitChute has a higher rate of hate speech than Gab but less than 4chan. Lastly, we find that while some BitChute content producers have been banned from other platforms, many maintain profiles on mainstream social media platforms, particularly YouTube. This paper contributes a first look at the content and discourse on BitChute and provides a building block for future research on low content moderation platforms.


I didn't do a deep dive into the methodology, but let's be honest, it's virtually all conspiracy theorist stuff.

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Quote (kenw @ Apr 19 2021 10:39pm)
None of these social media companies have to uphold the First Amendment from a legal standpoint, but I do agree that it does set up for a slippery slope when you make arbritary rules even if the conspiracies are dangerous misinformation. Either way, it doesn't discount the fac that bitchute primarily hosts conspiracy content so it's normal for people not to take it seriously. If it weren't conspiratorial diarrhea, it would have a much more diverse audience.


ummm no it has stuff youtube censors because youtube has an agenda you know they conspire.
and it has all that other stuff.
just spouting "conspiracy doesnt debunk any thing. it just tells me you do what your told and believe what your told. no matter what you see.
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Apr 20 2021 12:29am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 19 Apr 2021 23:13)
One of us is pro-censorship, and it's probably the one crying to mods :D

I googled BitChute and actually found this, that pretty perfectly supports my argument lol. You can upload whatever you want, but the thing that gets virtually all the engagement on the platform is conspiracy theories.

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2020arXiv200401984T/abstract

I didn't do a deep dive into the methodology, but let's be honest, it's virtually all conspiracy theorist stuff.


D2JSP is not a "censorship free" platform, nor is it a platform for content creators. It's a highly censored and highly moderated online bulletin board and game trading site with a clearly defined set of rules. I have no issue with your opinions, stupid as I find many of them to be. When you harass, spam, and flame incessantly, then you are in violation of those rules. If you don't want to be censored for your inappropriate posts, and have your inappropriate posts reported, take some personal responsibility and start acting like an adult.

So, you're using a study that quotes "hate speech" (not a legal term) and speaks about channel engagement. What kind of engagement does the article expect? Bitchute does not have live streaming, and is primarily utilized as a mirror for content that may end up being banned on YouTube, when it comes to political videos. Again, however, the overwhelming majority of videos on Bitchute aren't political videos. They're the standard music, tv, movies, and other such that make up the majority of content on Youtube.

Once again, you've failed to make a point. You're claiming bitchute "caters specifically to conspiracy theorists" and quoting an article that appears to take the absolute minority of Bitchute's content and magnify it to a hyperbolic level to indicate it's some nuthouse. FFS. I remember when they tried that same nonsense with jewtube.com. All horse shit, if you ask me.
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