Impeachment trials are a sham in terms of justice, they're deeply political. all you need to know to understand that is the implications of this impeachment.

you're halfway there, insomuch as you understand that when Trump is acquitted it will be bad for Nanci and good for Trump. in the same vein the GOP has a vested interested in acquitting because it will be good for them, and bad for Nanci and co, aka their "political opponents". the acquittal will be mentioned in downballot ads all the way to state senate races. the GOP will run with the narrative that the democrats recklessly attacked the president, etc.

now understand that the above is subjective, and anyone's opinion has no real bearing on whether the impeachment trials in senate are partisan. that's all added context, they are partisan simply based on the makeup of the senate and the implications.

tl;dr Democrats have a vested interest in pulling the trigger on impeachment (even when its bad for them in many ways) and the GOP has a vested interest in acquittal. this is just simple facts. do i think the Senate should vote to remove? no. but do i think they would even if the charges were far worse? no. both can be true.

you are incredibly condescending you know and i don't appreciate it

it is possible for trump to do something so egregious that his party would turn on him. I know the political climate in the states makes this hard to believe, but it's possible and happens all over the planet all the time. So we probably agree on many things it sounds like.

just don't fool yourself into thinking you're "walking me through" anything

im an equal opportunity asshole.

this late into 2019 there's almost nothing that would cause the Senate to impeach. if it were bad, but not murder or something about as serious, they'd let Trump lose the election but not vote to remove. it would be better for downballot.

like literally if Trump secretly offered $20 million to Kim Jong Un for a photo opportunity they'd ask for a nobel peace prize, not removal.

I think he cares about corruption in Ukraine because they backed Hillary. He has the appearance of corruption with Biden sanctioned or not. He has low level election interference from Ukraine officials. He seems to believe Crowdstrike has validity.



We don't know what happened. We don't have the evidence needed. There are lots of documents tied up in court as well.

The evidence on the aid is not strong enough. The WH meeting is stronger since we have people getting that directly from Giuliani.

So, you are saying you don't actually care about fleshing this out correctly because people's minds won't be changed?

Exactly. He doesn't care about corruption, he wants political retribution

now that, is speculation i can get behind

do you think, for argument's sake, that IF trump withheld aid and directly asked for an investigation into Biden before he would send the aid, the Senate would vote to have him removed?

a 66%+ democratic senate would, but then again that could go for any number of matters

i haven't decided whether it was an abuse of power. The presidency comes with an insane amount of power after all. i'm just waiting for this to all play out.

so what you're saying is regardless of the facts, because there's a GOP majority in senate, this is a partisan manner. and not a real trial of facts.

then we do agree.

if you were listening, i'm saying that he needs to be held to some truly egregious shit for the repubs to vote him out. I'm not sure this current case is that earth shaking