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Jul 14 2018 12:51am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 14 2018 01:36am)
I don't think their bias is too surprising. We'd already seen evidence of it, so its not exactly a shock, but even before that it wasn't hard to figure Julian Assange had a massive raging hate boner for Hillary who reciprocated in kind. He was indeed very happy to attach to anti-establishment right wingers, but its not like he didn't have good reason both when it came to his personal crusade of transparency and his own vendetta with the "Can't we just drone him?" woman. If Julian Assange was a Sikh, Hillary was Indira Gandhi. Its kind of a tired old subject, but maybe it will help shatter some delusions of people who think that there are any idealist martyrs and purist iconoclasts in this world, instead of being a cynic who knows everyone poops.

But while the left will seethe at the evidence of Wikileaks bias against them, the big new detail we got in that report was the confirmation from Mueller that the Russians were always 'posing as Guccifer 2.0' when they communicated with Wikileaks. Its going to be very hard for anyone to pretend that there was a knowing conspiracy with Julian Assange when the Mueller investigation has dumped on the theory. But it might take a few weeks of people calming down before the full implications of this indictment floats to the top of the chaotic brew


It's not surprising to reasonable people... but we're not always dealing with reasonable people. I think it's important when something like this drops, we don't pretend all of these revelations were always accepted by everyone.

Fox News people, other Trump cult media figures, and the president have always been hyper skeptical of the claims that Russia hacked the DNC. They pushed Seth Rich conspiracy theories, or claimed the intelligence community couldn't really know it was Russians. T_D still running with it. Now, we have an indictment showing otherwise. Honest people following this should note when the goalposts get moved by media figures who have millions of followers.

I don't really pay close attention to all of the r/politics conspiracy theories. To me, the biggest surprise out of these indictments is the allegation a US congressional candidate sought and then received stolen documents from Russians posing as Guccifer.
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Jul 14 2018 12:53am
the bright side is that this indictment shuts down the conspiracy theories by both /r/politics and /r/the_donald
the dark side is that neither of them care and keep peddling the nonsense anyway
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Jul 14 2018 12:55am
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the bright side is that this indictment shuts down the conspiracy theories by both /r/politics and /r/the_donald
the dark side is that neither of them care and keep peddling the nonsense anyway


Well... at least a small portion of the conspiracy theories.

Hey Goom, any particular people you follow for analysis on the Russiagate stuff? I'm going to post a few of the ones I follow(Seth puts out some fun conspiracy theories).

https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand
https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson
https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_

Interesting pod on this new indictment:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/lawfare-podcast-emergency-edition-gruccifer-20-indictment

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Well... at least a small portion of the conspiracy theories.

Hey Goom, any particular people you follow for analysis on the Russiagate stuff? I'm going to post a few of the ones I follow(Seth puts out some fun conspiracy theories).

[URL=https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand]https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand[/URL]
[URL=https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings]https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings[/URL]
[URL=https://twitter.com/SethAbramson]https://twitter.com/SethAbramson[/URL]
[URL=https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_]https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_[/URL]

Interesting pod on this new indictment:
[URL=https://www.lawfareblog.com/lawfare-podcast-emergency-edition-gruccifer-20-indictment]https://www.lawfareblog.com/lawfare-podcast-emergency-edition-gruccifer-20-indictment[/URL]


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Jul 14 2018 11:25am
I don't know where else to say it so I'm going to say it here. A big talking point on the_donald is that the latest indictments are all phony because Mueller hasn't given the evidence to prove that the Russian government did the DNC hacking. However, that's now how indictments work. After an indictment an arrest would need to be made, then a trial would start and then evidence is admitted. So there's not supposed to be any evidence yet because there are no trials.

However, because there's zero chance in hell that Russia extradites those indicted, I doubt we will ever see a trial. Maybe if we are lucky than a trial can go before the UN to stop cyber attacks between member nations.
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Jul 14 2018 11:32am
appropriate time to revisit this gem of a Trump tweet:


Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

The new joke in town is that Russia leaked the disastrous DNC e-mails, which should never have been written (stupid), because Putin likes me
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Jul 14 2018 11:45am
Thread gets funnier by the day

Strzok getting spanked by the GOP on national TV
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Jul 14 2018 11:50am
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Thread gets funnier by the day

Strzok getting spanked by the GOP on national TV


is that how they are selling it on FOX? that's quite funny since every halfway intelligent person can see how he is exposing the retarded narrative of mueller's investigation being biased and acting on it to hurt your cult leader...
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Jul 14 2018 11:58am
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Thread gets funnier by the day

Strzok getting spanked by the GOP on national TV


:rofl:
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