There are many people who have done that. They are the people who are 'above' the law. They are the people who want to serve themselves even at other people's expense. If they are wronged then they will seek revenge at all costs, how dare these people get in my way! Yet it is okay for me to put other people down.

I've seen people like that first hand. With no boundaries and no rules, the do whatever you want attitude will always result in the individual becoming self-centered. I know that self-centered people will not go out of their way to help others in their time of need.

What is your advice to those people? Do you think that they should keep doing down that path on serving themselves only?

CPK001, did you read after BUT ?

This post was edited by the_rest on Nov 28 2017 06:32am

Btw don't you have any kind of compassion for honest people having another religion?
I means those born without having any contact with Christianisn, in far away countries, but that are still good people, helping others if needed, even doing more than yours.

Are doors to heaven closed for them? Answer me please

Yep. They are the people who decided that they are 'above' the law. There was a critical junction in their life at one time when they decided that. There was another critical junction when that person rejected God and decided to be their own god. That decision meant that they would serve themselves at all costs.

Yet another critical junction happened when that person was wronged. What was their reaction when they were wronged the first time? They only ever knew one way to react and that was in anger and vengeance. That would mean that person would react that way time and time again whenever they were wronged.

The one major critical junction was rejecting the word of God which would have a chain effect ending up with a broken life.

So what is your point?



There is only one way to the father and that is through Jesus Christ.

There is also nobody righteous, not even one as all have fallen short of the glory of God.

There is no excuse because even creation declares his glory.

Besides, think of it this way - if anybody is already saved due to them not ever hearing about God then wouldn't preaching the word to them be the absolute worst thing we can do? If they hear about God and then they reject it then we would have effectively damned that person.
No, what if they were already damned but they had no idea? That is why it is imperative that they hear the word of God because salvation is not works based. There is only one way to God which means ALL other ways are closed. There is no loophole.

I also want to make one thing perfectly clear, Jesus did not respect anybody who considered themselves righteous. Look at how he treated the Pharisees and the rich man. He did not tolerate their way of attaining salvation. You should look at the Woe's to the Pharisees in the book of Matthew.

He pretty much told the Pharisees straight up that they were condemned because of the very thing that they were doing to attain salvation. He questioned their very livelihood with how they lived. The message that Jesus brings is very confrontational and he does not hide it. It is a very offensive message because it challenges the way you live your life on a daily basis. Imagine being told that your way of living life is going to lead you to death and destruction? You will become very offended by that.

Yet once you realize that those words are true, in the end you become born again and change your life around. You will be given a new heart, a heart of flesh. All the burdens of this world will be lifted off your shoulders. It is a new beginning, a new start to your life which will be much greater than the former life with which you lived. It is very hard to let go of the old life and start a new but in my experience it is those who do humble themselves will end up being exalted and those who exalt themselves will end up being humbled.

This post was edited by CPK001 on Nov 28 2017 05:52pm

the police will take care of them, then



If you were wronged, move on. Rarely you get wrecked. Never, actually.

This post was edited by the_rest on Nov 29 2017 05:29am

already in heaven tbh

The fact that the police had to get involved in the first place is part of the problem. They have already done the damage and the problem became so bad in the first place. No, I'd rather not let the problem become so great to the point of getting the police involved.

Tell that message to all those people who were scammed and posted in the Scammer Accusations subforum. I know, perhaps you can start with this thread where the victim has been bumping for over 2 years. Obviously he never moved on. http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=72636976&f=250

Ok so no heaven, even for honest people, eventually helping or taking care of others ?
Im glad you arent a real christian.

But i wasnt asking it to you, i was expecting an answer from xfrodobagginsx

How does quoting Bible verses not make me a real Christian?

John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Romans 3:10-12 - as it is written:

“None is righteous, no, not one;
no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”

Romans 1:19-21 - For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

As you can see, The Bible testifies that there is no honest person. Also, helping and taking care of others does not grant you salvation. Want to know why?

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

What this means is nothing you ever do will earn you salvation. God has already done the hard work for you. Since we are saved through faith, there is nothing that can ever take that away either.

Isn't that a wonderful thing, that you are freely saved from eternal separation from The Father?

The thoughts on heaven and hell is more or less to build a working society people having morals and believing in living a better life for everyone and a hope that what they do is rewarded.
Not stating it exists or not, if it exists it's not what any religion will preach at the end of the day all religions pray to the same god. And I do not personally believe you need to go to church every Sunday to be accepted by your lord, live a happy healthy life be a good person sure but god knows we're not perfect just live your life everyone sins not everyone would go to hell