Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 27 2022 12:13pm)
I was talking about heavy arms, stuff like HIMARS and such. The javelins and stingers were the mvp of the early stage of this war, they saved Ukraine's ass - but those are not advanced enough weapons to argue that "Ukraine was armed to the teeth with superior Western military hightech, so Russia being unable to defeat them doesn't actually mean that Russia's military is crap". If the supposed second strongest military in the world is unable to overcome some javelins and stingers, it sucks, plain and simple.
That was my reply to you stating Russia was defeated around Kiev and yes this is what saved the Ukrainians.
Obviously the Russians couldn't simply take over like they thought they could but I didn't claim that.
We're talking about arming / modernizing the Ukrainian army which cannot be denied.
Look at this pic and note the tossed together mix of rifles, uniforms, boots/shoes and the Soviet 1960s twin barrel 23 mm gun in the background.
That's the glorious azov battalion right there