Why do you assume I have an opinion outside of demonstrated facts? It is a fact that regions of Ukraine attempted separation IMMEDIATELY after the Western born illegal coup against a democratically elected government. It is a fact that since that time both Russia and the US have used that as a proxy war for the last 8 years, almost 9 now. It is a fact that Ukraine is on Russia's border, not America's. Russia has a vested interest in the end of the Ukraine civil war, the US has a vested interest in extending it as long as possible. All actions taken by all involved parties confirm this.

There is no possible debate on which side has the moral high ground. It's Russia.

Do you even read? I straight up have said 10 times in this thread, that I think what the US did was essentially perfect.



This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 25 2022 05:07pm

Another scene, that should be studied in detail to understand how to broker a peace between Ukraine and Poland after the missile strike.



This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 25 2022 05:08pm

A moral high ground? Maybe for pushing for an honest referendum in separatist regions. When it comes to an invasion and an all-out war, I don’t see how you could pretend they have any kind of moral high ground.

Very good explanation of the conflict.

Your argument might have weight if not for hostile foreign powers supporting the anti-Russian side of the civil war. But they are, so it doesn't.

Yes and you use this as justification for Russia invading Ukraine, hence the "they did it first". It’s almost as if you think all war is good for some reason.

Oh yes it’s good because "change" …

Sure America may be profiting in the long run from Russia breaking its teeth in Ukraine. That doesn’t make the invasion justified or "morally right", it makes America hypocritical and Russia an aggressor.

Russia invaded because they perceived a window of opportunity (backdrop of macro-events at the time) to further their political interests.

So what? Should tell call Taylor Swift first for moral right? Most conflicts are by definition morally ambiguous in nature either way.

So lemme ask Mr.selective moralist, why aren't you crying about aanes? The stuff happening there(afrin etc) is far more extreme . Things are getting heated there, and Turks want an Afrin 2.0.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 25 2022 05:20pm

Sure, make a thread and people will complain too.

I find it somewhat comical that you oppose any morality based argument (once again you’re the one bringing that up for some reason) while others are justifying the war based on some moral high-ground.