Same answer. It's not a logical reasoning to determine someone is right to compare him to someone else who was wrong many times.

This post was edited by Chainsaw47 on Nov 25 2022 04:06pm

2. Who said I am opposed to US or Russians waging war?

This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 25 2022 04:06pm

Most of us are opposed to the war. It is hurting our pockets. I think we are just annoyed how some poster dehumanized Russians and being extremely hypocritical about it by going When the West do this, it is right and it is for freedom and human rights and when the Russians do it , it is Nazism.

Of course some governments are quick to condemn Russia and stayed silent when the US waged wars, they're America's allies. Is it wrong? Possibly. Does it make Ukraine's invasion okay? Certainly not.

The "Nazi" blanket statement is dumb and so are the insults leveled at Russians in general, but so are the insults leveled at Americans or Ukrainians. I don't see posters claiming that the West is always right and that wars waged by the US were all fully justified.



Are you in favor of all those wars then?


This post was edited by Chainsaw47 on Nov 25 2022 04:11pm

You are too conservative, war is just another engine for change. The world shouldn't be some static thing, that would be against the dynamic nature of humans.

Only thing I say is that, politics are driven by inherent interests, and war is just an extension of diplomacy. To say Russians or US are inherently forbidden from acting in their perceived interests is a stupid concept. But the most stupid concept which is peddled around here 30 times a day, is boiling politics down to a discussion of selective morality, turning US with millions of kills in the last 25 years into the epitome of morality, and have it be given a monopoly on "end justifies the means". Discuss politics properly or don't do it at all, if you want to talk about your emotional feelings, you can do it with your mother

This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 25 2022 04:16pm

It makes it hypocritical. Which in the standard of actual wars following WW2 isn't any more important than the hypocrisy. But this is an entirely different scenario. This is the top 2 global super powers playing chicken with one side having legitimate security issues and the other side not only being a hypocrite but also being responsible for those very security issues. Out of the parties involved, only Russia has any justification whatsoever. And as I live in the side being hypocrites and people all around me seem to want to start WW3 and end all of humanity over some patch of land noone cares about, I will call out that hypocrisy. For the sake of all life on Earth for the next billion years, NATO must lose.

Odd take. Does Ukraine have a right to defend themselves and pursue their inherent interests or should they just lay down and have Russia have it’s way? Is it the same for all future invasions by any country where any sign of defense is seen as "trying to start WW3"?

US perspective:
US is simply trying to further their sphere of influence, and realign in a way pre-emptively for the new order that is unfolding. Hamsterbaby argues that they should've pulled Russia into their sphere same as Kissinger was saying.

That would've been risky, in my view, a united Europe with Russia as a bridge between Asia/Eu, is the most dangerous situation US could find itself in. Weakening, and dividing Europe by turning it into 2 spheres each controlled by US/China is a far more safe bet in my book. Personally I understand why the US did what they did.


The problem with people here is, they will disregard what i said (above), and say "Russia Nazi invade da hohols for their superior genetic women", or some other crazy nonsense. Or start a discussion of how "wrong" the invasion was. LOL.




Look, always such low-level takes. Keep out of politics, and go read romantic novels you Hollywood mind broken monkey.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 25 2022 04:26pm