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Nov 25 2022 12:37pm
Quote (duffman316 @ 25 Nov 2022 07:30)
After reading your post history I've concluded your mother would've been better off swallowing you.

Drink bleach vermin.


loooool the impotent and ignorant rage is strong with this one. I'll respond in a way he can understand: No U, scum.

Quote (Ironfister @ 25 Nov 2022 11:37)
Probably not a robot. A bot is used to upvote posts, to share them etc.
Trolls are humans.
Russian trolls get paid something like 25cents for every post they make. You make 80 posts on your daily shift, you get paid 20 bucks.
It might seem not much for an American citizen, but in countries like Russia its above average salary.


The sheer desperation of the NATO bot is quite funny.
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Nov 25 2022 12:45pm
Lukashenko: Ukrainians must stop so we can explain to them what has happened.



Quote (Vastet @ 25 Nov 2022 19:37)
loooool the impotent and ignorant rage is strong with this one. I'll respond in a way he can understand: No U, scum.
The sheer desperation of the NATO bot is quite funny.


Aren't you the guy supporting a terrorist country ? Your choice, thus you will keep that in your heart (guessing you have some) for the rest of your life.
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Nov 25 2022 12:47pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ 25 Nov 2022 13:45)
Lukashenko: Ukrainians must stop so we can explain to them what has happened.

https://i.imgur.com/Unr6qj6.mp4



Aren't you the guy supporting a terrorist country ? Your choice, thus you will keep that in your heart (guessing you have some) for the rest of your life.


Says a guy supporting a terrorist country.

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Nov 25 2022 01:00pm
Quote (Ironfister @ Nov 25 2022 02:16pm)
Russia economy is having troubles, because countries dont want to trade with them, for example they have problems building Rockets because they cant buy parts. Also many Russians left the country. Also their economy is mobilized for war.
On the same time, although they cant buy things, they still have some spare $$ that they get from selling resources.
Of course crime companies are just like normal companies, they have various checks in place. You only need to check like 5% work to find out which of the trolls is doing good job, and which one is underperforming.
Also its not really only about forums.
People bring their ideas from outside, from Twitter, from Facebook, from Trump speeches.
So someone could get their fake news outside and bring it here.
There is a term in Russian: "useful idiot".


How much money do you think it would take for their propaganda effort to be so broad that it targets niche websites like d2jsp?

Wouldn't it be smart to maybe buy more parts? Or other military hardware? Or use the money to help offset the effects of western sanctions?

It's not a "crime company" if it's sanctioned and funded by the government, it's just an extension of Russian intelligence.

So we started at "Putin bot" downgraded to "Russian troll" and now we are at "useful idiot"? If we keep going you might have to accept that people have different opinions on things and not everyone who disagrees with you is being paid or "tricked" into doing so.

How do you know you aren't being a "useful idiot" for western propaganda with the opinions you share? Or do you think only the "evil" countries engage in propaganda?

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Nov 25 2022 01:06pm
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How much money do you think it would take for their propaganda effort to be so broad that it targets niche websites like d2jsp?

Wouldn't it be smart to maybe buy more parts? Or other military hardware? Or use the money to help offset the effects of western sanctions?

It's not a "crime company" if it's sanctioned and funded by the government, it's just an extension of Russian intelligence.

So we started at "Putin bot" downgraded to "Russian troll" and now we are at "useful idiot"? If we keep going you might have to accept that people have different opinions on things and not everyone who disagrees with you is being paid or "tricked" into doing so.

How do you know you aren't being a "useful idiot" for western propaganda with the opinions you share? Or do you think only the "evil" countries engage in propaganda?


Because Moralists always think they are right and their values are supreme over everyone else. And if you disagree and have different opinions you are a bot, troll and someone who is gutter trash, while they virtue signal on the interwebs showing how educated and above everyone else they are.
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Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 25 Nov 2022 20:00)
How much money do you think it would take for their propaganda effort to be so broad that it targets niche websites like d2jsp?

Wouldn't it be smart to maybe buy more parts? Or other military hardware? Or use the money to help offset the effects of western sanctions?

It's not a "crime company" if it's sanctioned and funded by the government, it's just an extension of Russian intelligence.

So we started at "Putin bot" downgraded to "Russian troll" and now we are at "useful idiot"? If we keep going you might have to accept that people have different opinions on things and not everyone who disagrees with you is being paid or "tricked" into doing so.

How do you know you aren't being a "useful idiot" for western propaganda with the opinions you share? Or do you think only the "evil" countries engage in propaganda?


Russia does need to have propaganda in the west, so that they are free to do what they want.
They need a friendly USA president.
They cant really win vs NATO, so they need to break NATO first into pieces, and then start eating one by one.

Russia was declared as a country sponsoring terrorism in EU parlament. So yes, they are a crime organization.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/european-lawmakers-declare-russia-state-sponsor-terrorism-2022-11-23/

About how do I know Im right. Imagine that my country was under Russian occupation or resisting it for 300years.
My own uncle was kidnapped like 80 years ago by Russian and sent to freezing Syberia, only because he was a policeman and Russians wanted to get rid of such people.
Its good he wasnt a highly educated person, because Russians kill such people instead of sending to Syberia.
I know people from Russia, they want their empire back.
They want to occupy all of the people that were in the past under Russian occupation. They live imperialistic dream.
What happens next they rebuild empire, only god knows.
Would they stop at Germany border, or go occupy Germany?
I dont know, but I would rather play it safe and help Ukrainians resist the invasion, if I were German.
And they are partially doing it. Maybe they could do more, but still Im glad Germany does what they do too.
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Nov 25 2022 01:46pm
The EU declaration is as empty as your head is, and has absolutely no impact on anything.
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Nov 25 2022 01:48pm
Quote (Ironfister @ 26 Nov 2022 03:38)
Russia does need to have propaganda in the west, so that they are free to do what they want.
They need a friendly USA president.
They cant really win vs NATO, so they need to break NATO first into pieces, and then start eating one by one.

Russia was declared as a country sponsoring terrorism in EU parlament. So yes, they are a crime organization.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/european-lawmakers-declare-russia-state-sponsor-terrorism-2022-11-23/

About how do I know Im right. Imagine that my country was under Russian occupation or resisting it for 300years.
My own uncle was kidnapped like 80 years ago by Russian and sent to freezing Syberia, only because he was a policeman and Russians wanted to get rid of such people.
Its good he wasnt a highly educated person, because Russians kill such people instead of sending to Syberia.
I know people from Russia, they want their empire back.
They want to occupy all of the people that were in the past under Russian occupation. They live imperialistic dream.
What happens next they rebuild empire, only god knows.
Would they stop at Germany border, or go occupy Germany?
I dont know, but I would rather play it safe and help Ukrainians resist the invasion, if I were German.
And they are partially doing it. Maybe they could do more, but still Im glad Germany does what they do too.


And you support UK.
Do you know anything about UK imperialism and the East India Company ?
By you statement above, I think alot of people want to completely destroy the United Kingdom, just in case they rebuild their empire.
Oh Wait, they shifted their ideologue to the greatest country in the world and they are now taking over.

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 25 Nov 2022 20:48)
And you support UK.
Do you know anything about UK imperialism and the East India Company ?
By you statement above, I think alot of people want to completely destroy the United Kingdom, just in case they rebuild their empire.
Oh Wait, they shifted their ideologue to the greatest country in the world and they are now taking over.


I think we can consider the real problems are now China and Russia. Both are led by authoritarian regimes doing atrocities.

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Nov 25 2022 02:10pm
Quote (Ironfister @ Nov 25 2022 03:38pm)
Russia does need to have propaganda in the west, so that they are free to do what they want.
They need a friendly USA president.
They cant really win vs NATO, so they need to break NATO first into pieces, and then start eating one by one.

Russia was declared as a country sponsoring terrorism in EU parlament. So yes, they are a crime organization.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/european-lawmakers-declare-russia-state-sponsor-terrorism-2022-11-23/

About how do I know Im right. Imagine that my country was under Russian occupation or resisting it for 300years.
My own uncle was kidnapped like 80 years ago by Russian and sent to freezing Syberia, only because he was a policeman and Russians wanted to get rid of such people.
Its good he wasnt a highly educated person, because Russians kill such people instead of sending to Syberia.
I know people from Russia, they want their empire back.
They want to occupy all of the people that were in the past under Russian occupation. They live imperialistic dream.
What happens next they rebuild empire, only god knows.
Would they stop at Germany border, or go occupy Germany?
I dont know, but I would rather play it safe and help Ukrainians resist the invasion, if I were German.
And they are partially doing it. Maybe they could do more, but still Im glad Germany does what they do too.


I am not disagreeing Russia uses propaganda, my issue is why they would be targeting d2jsp of all places, this is not an important or major website in any way, it is not a driver of public discourse like Facebook or Twitter could be.

The EU saying Russia is sponsoring terrorism doesn't relate to my statement about troll farms being "crime companies"

Sounds like you have a lot of emotional investment in this, which doesn't generally lead to the most logical thinking. Sorry your family experienced all that but it doesn't really make you an expert or more informed than anyone else and more likely makes it so you have a harder time viewing things from the Russian perspective.

Russians are not a monolith, some support the war, some don't. Some want to reunite the "empire" some dont. Just like any other country or people they have varied and diverse views on things. Describing them as all of one mind shows you aren't thinking rationally but emotionally.

They do not have the capability to conquer all of Ukraine, much less any other part of Europe. Whether they want to or not. "Playing it safe" would be staying out of the conflict.


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