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Nov 23 2022 11:07pm
Orcs target maternity wards
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The onslaught followed an overnight Russian rocket attack in the town of Vilniansk, close to the city of Zaporizhzhia in southern Ukraine, that destroyed a hospital maternity ward, killing a 2-day-old newborn boy and critically injuring a doctor.

“The first S300 rocket hit the road. The second rocket hit this place, the main general hospital, at the maternity wing,” said Mayor Nataliya Usienko. “One woman gave birth two days ago. She delivered a boy. Unfortunately this rocket took the life of this child who lived only two days.”

On Twitter, Ukraine’s First Lady Olena Zelenska wrote: “Horrible pain. We will never forget and never forgive.”

The strike adds to the gruesome toll suffered by hospitals and other medical facilities — and their patients and staff — in the Russian invasion that will enter its tenth month this week.

They have been in the firing line from the outset, including a March 9 airstrike that destroyed a maternity hospital in the now-occupied port city of Mariupol.

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Nov 24 2022 01:59am
Quote (Vastet @ 24 Nov 2022 01:45)
Wrong. More than half the world is fine with Russia.

Nazi also had allies: japan, italy, hungary and many more like Switzerland or Sweden were neutral in the world.
This is politics countries someimes do, especially when they have bad leader.
China would like to take some new lands in Asia, so they are more or less fine with doing wars.
Also some countries like Brazil is very far away.
India is a poor country that has serious problems.
Doesnt prove that Russia is ok.
Quote (Vastet @ 24 Nov 2022 01:45)
So does America. So did England and France and Spain and Rome and every other major power in history. Not relevant.

All of this happened a lot of time ago. Nowadays these countries dont think in 19th century ways. Russia is one of the countries that stayed in 19th century.
When the USA left Afghanistan, it was immediately occupied by force and conquest by taliban country. Women lost their rights. There is dictator now that does whatever it wants. America tried to bring democracy there, it failed but it was a good attempt. It was a free country when American soldiers were defending it.
Quote (Vastet @ 24 Nov 2022 01:45)
And yet they have less people imprisoned than America does by every possible measure, therefore they must be more free than America.

Life expectancy in Russian prisons is very low. If you die in a year in prison, it makes imprisoned stats lower.
Also the population is much lower in Russia.
And lets not forget USA is a magnet for immigrants, while its generally good things, it can make some troubles integrating all these people and some of them end in prisons.
Also Im nearly sure that Russia doesnt report 1mln kidnapped Ukrainians as "imprisoned".
People in Russia live in dictatorship always. They dont rebel too much, as they know the government will rather kill them than give up.
Its sad but its like this.

Quote (Vastet @ 24 Nov 2022 01:45)
Many Americans don't even have a home let alone a toilet so that's also irrelevant.
American propaganda, Russia is a democracy.
American propaganda. America is the nation with a global empire not Russia.

Homeless in USA is 0.17%, In rural Russia, almost two-thirds have no access to indoor toilets. Cant cheat the math.
Russia democracy?
Leading opposition candidate is in prison.
TV and media is all propaganda. You can only criticize the government for making too few wars, for sending too few soldiers, for mobilizing too few people into the army, but you cant say that Russia does too many wars. Its a concession style opposition: government tells the "opposition" what they should do.
Fake opposition. Real opposition is in prison.
If you say "stop the war" you go to prison.
Soviet style "democracy" .

Quote (Vastet @ 24 Nov 2022 01:45)
Poland got screwed by everyone who could screw them. The Soviets were just among the more recent examples.

Since the ww2, many countries gave up conquests. Russia is one of the few who still like doing conquests and war things.

This post was edited by Ironfister on Nov 24 2022 02:03am
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Quote (Ironfister @ 24 Nov 2022 02:59)
Nazi also had allies: japan, italy, hungary and many more like Switzerland or Sweden were neutral in the world.


Irrelevant.

Quote (Ironfister @ 24 Nov 2022 02:59)

This is politics countries someimes do, especially when they have bad leader.


And most especially when other countries have bad leaders.

Quote (Ironfister @ 24 Nov 2022 02:59)

China would like to take some new lands in Asia, so they are more or less fine with doing wars.
Also some countries like Brazil is very far away.
India is a poor country that has serious problems.
Doesnt prove that Russia is ok.


Doesn't prove it isn't either.

Quote (Ironfister @ 24 Nov 2022 02:59)

All of this happened a lot of time ago. Nowadays these countries dont think in 19th century ways. Russia is one of the countries that stayed in 19th century.


Absolute bullshit. There has never been a decade in recent history when Europe was completely free of war, and nothing happening today is equivalent to events in the 19th century.

Quote (Ironfister @ 24 Nov 2022 02:59)

When the USA left Afghanistan, it was immediately occupied by force and conquest by taliban country. Women lost their rights. There is dictator now that does whatever it wants. America tried to bring democracy there, it failed but it was a good attempt. It was a free country when American soldiers were defending it.


It was not a good attempt. The US never held more than a fraction of Afghanistan and they never actually tried to hold more or convert Afghanistan into a democracy. America was more interested in making up lies about Iraq and failing to do the same with Syria when Russia prevented America from attacking Syria as well. A ridiculous scenario that actually saw the region become more dangerous and less stable. Something which cannot be said about Russia in Ukraine.

Quote (Ironfister @ 24 Nov 2022 02:59)
Life expectancy in Russian prisons is very low. If you die in a year in prison, it makes imprisoned stats lower.


Doesn't even begin to explain the disparity, especially when all prisons have poor survival rates.

Quote (Ironfister @ 24 Nov 2022 02:59)

Also the population is much lower in Russia.


Irrelevant.

Quote (Ironfister @ 24 Nov 2022 02:59)

And lets not forget USA is a magnet for immigrants, while its generally good things, it can make some troubles integrating all these people and some of them end in prisons.


Nope most people in jail in America are Americans. Sorry try again.

Quote (Ironfister @ 24 Nov 2022 02:59)

Also Im nearly sure that Russia doesnt report 1mln kidnapped Ukrainians as "imprisoned".


American propaganda. Noone was kidnapped.

Quote (Ironfister @ 24 Nov 2022 02:59)

People in Russia live in dictatorship always. They dont rebel too much, as they know the government will rather kill them than give up.
Its sad but its like this.


It's lies.

Quote (Ironfister @ 24 Nov 2022 02:59)

Homeless in USA is 0.17%, In rural Russia, almost two-thirds have no access to indoor toilets. Cant cheat the math.


Sure you can. You can ignore and not count most homeless, which is what America does. What most Western countries do.

Quote (Ironfister @ 24 Nov 2022 02:59)

Russia democracy?
Leading opposition candidate is in prison.


Lies.

Quote (Ironfister @ 24 Nov 2022 02:59)

TV and media is all propaganda. You can only criticize the government for making too few wars, for sending too few soldiers, for mobilizing too few people into the army, but you cant say that Russia does too many wars. Its a concession style opposition: government tells the "opposition" what they should do.


Just like throughout the West. All media has been coopted for propaganda everywhere.

Quote (Ironfister @ 24 Nov 2022 02:59)

Fake opposition. Real opposition is in prison.


Lies.

Quote (Ironfister @ 24 Nov 2022 02:59)

If you say "stop the war" you go to prison.
Soviet style "democracy" .


Lies.

Quote (Ironfister @ 24 Nov 2022 02:59)

Since the ww2, many countries gave up conquests. Russia is one of the few who still like doing conquests and war things.


Lies.
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just got ironfisted :lol:
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Quote (Bananii @ 24 Nov 2022 10:01)
^ironfister just got ironfisted :lol:


Im done talking with that guy. I say obvious, well known facts, and he responds "lies".
ROTFL
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Nov 24 2022 03:36am
Quote (Ironfister @ 24 Nov 2022 04:35)
Im done talking with that guy. I say obvious, well known facts, and he responds "lies".
ROTFL


All you've done is prove how clueless you are.
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Quote (Ironfister @ Nov 24 2022 10:35am)
Im done talking with that guy. I say obvious, well known facts, and he responds "lies".
ROTFL


godwin point here again.

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Quote (Bananii @ 24 Nov 2022 17:01)
^ironfister just got ironfisted :lol:


:rofl:

Brainwashed people will always say their opposition is brainwashed.
Just like all those Crazy and Brainwashed Red guards back in the 1960s and 1970s in Commie China.

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Quote (Vastet @ 24 Nov 2022 09:54)
Irrelevant.



And most especially when other countries have bad leaders.



Doesn't prove it isn't either.



Absolute bullshit. There has never been a decade in recent history when Europe was completely free of war, and nothing happening today is equivalent to events in the 19th century.



It was not a good attempt. The US never held more than a fraction of Afghanistan and they never actually tried to hold more or convert Afghanistan into a democracy. America was more interested in making up lies about Iraq and failing to do the same with Syria when Russia prevented America from attacking Syria as well. A ridiculous scenario that actually saw the region become more dangerous and less stable. Something which cannot be said about Russia in Ukraine.



Doesn't even begin to explain the disparity, especially when all prisons have poor survival rates.



Irrelevant.



Nope most people in jail in America are Americans. Sorry try again.



American propaganda. Noone was kidnapped.



It's lies.



Sure you can. You can ignore and not count most homeless, which is what America does. What most Western countries do.



Lies.



Just like throughout the West. All media has been coopted for propaganda everywhere.



Lies.



Lies.



Lies.


Today two biggest European Armies fight each other. Very 19th century thing.
And when you say lies, its not. You can google it up, for example opposition leader in prison:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-16057045

Russia kidnapping people:
https://www.aei.org/op-eds/charge-russians-who-adopt-ukrainian-children-with-kidnapping%EF%BF%BC/

Russia conquests:
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/putin-admits-ukraine-invasion-is-an-imperial-war-to-return-russian-land/

Its all really well known facts.
Im done talking with you, you are resilient to facts, who brainwashed you war lover?
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