China Pauses Some Russian Oil Purchases Ahead of Price Cap.

Source: Bloomberg

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-22/top-buyer-of-russian-oil-pauses-some-purchases-before-price-cap

Regarding the economic war: I never claimed otherwise. If you look back at the start of this thread, I have been against the energy embargos and the aggressive economic war since the beginning, my rationale being that these measures will not stop Russia's ability to wage war in the short term and that they will not be worth the collateral damage they would inflict onto ourselves. This is exactly how it played out.

This does not, however, imply what you are claiming, namely that the sanctions have no debilitating effect on Russia at all and that the collateral damage on ourselves outstrips the economic damage inflicted on Russia. You claim that Russia is outright winning the economic war; I say that the West is winning it, but not as decisively as our leaders thought or would be necessary to justify the costs.

That's why the West have to prolong this war for the sanctions to work as intended, cripple Russian economycs and make them leave Ukraine and start fixing their own country.

Every Loony claims that, you are brainwashed to the core.

By shutting down the gas supplies of their own accord, Russia has alienated its best customer and demonstrated its unreliability to the rest of the world. In the long run, they are economically fucked anyway.

Imho, the main reason to prolong this war is to grind down Russia's army as much as we can, so that it will take them as many years as possible before they have replenished their military and restored their ability to wage wars of aggression.

Noone except the West believes Russia is unreliable because everyone knows the West is why Russia isn't reliable for the West.
Prolonging the war is giving Ukraine to Russia on a platter to carve up as they choose.

The facts speak for themselves. Putin weaponised energy supply. Europe was a reliable customer; Russia has not been a reliable supplier.



I agree in principle, although I don't think that Ukraine or its allies want to prolong the war for sanctions to work. Sanctions will work as intended and likely continue for some time after a ceasefire. I would argue the sanctions have not gone far enough in scope. They tried to target Russian elite, however if normal Russian's support Putin's war, something we can deduct from the lack of protest, and high level of state propaganda/ forced narrative. Then everyday Russians should be directly affected with more sanctions.



NATO countries are laughing all the way to bank.
- Information on Russia's capabilities, or lack thereof
- Lend leasing arms to Ukraine, and likely taking payment from seized Russian funds as reperation
- Testing out military equipment against the supposed second largest military force in the world, without losing troops of its own

There seems to be this belief that Russia can absorb any losses and win an attritional war. Mostly based on historical outcomes and Russia's landmass and population.
Any truth in that belief is balanced out by real-time costs. Loss of military officers, huge loss of hardware, divulgence of strategy and tactics, loss of domestic manpower to the draft.

Winning an attritional war in Ukraine will hamstring Russia from any other imperial landgrabs, for multiple generations.

The West weaponized commerce and industry and Europe ceased to be a good customer. Noone blames Russia for cutting off a bad customer.

How did Europe cease to be a good customer? I would argue that doing business under the barrel of a gun, or in this a nuclear missile. Is not a preferred situation for any customer.

Ukraine supports the main onshore pipelines for gas supply to Europe. Putin has suggested he is prepared to use a tactical nuke in Ukraine. If I am a purchaser of natural gas, and my business depends on the security of those pipelines. I might suggest that is an existential threat to my business. Ergo unreliable.

We've seen that Russia can't even defend its pipeline infrastructure. NS1 + NS2 were sabotaged by UK Navy commandos riding Nazi dolphins. How can Russia be reliable if they can't de-nazify the ocean populations?

MEPs set to declare Russia a state sponsor of terrorism

Source: Europarliament

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/agenda/briefing/2022-11-21/1/meps-set-to-declare-russia-a-state-sponsor-of-terrorism

Rush B, suka blyat

This post was edited by Norlander on Nov 23 2022 06:02am