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Nov 21 2022 04:41pm
Quote (Palasan @ 21 Nov 2022 23:39)
China haven't abstained on votes that called on direct sanctions/action against Russia, what are you talking about.


I couldn't find any news about this from a quick google search. Do you have a source/a link?
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Nov 21 2022 04:51pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 21 2022 06:41pm)
I couldn't find any news about this from a quick google search. Do you have a source/a link?


China abstained on the last UN vote on Russia paying reparations to Ukraine.

In stark contrast to them voting against suspending Russia from Human Rights Council in April being just one example.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/04/1115782

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Dangerous precedent’: China

China was among the countries that voted against the resolution. Ambassador ZHANG Jun, feared any hasty move in the General Assembly would be like “adding fuel to the fire”, as it would aggravate divisions, intensify the conflict, and jeopardize peace efforts.

“Dealing with the membership of the Human Rights Council in such a way will set new dangerous precedent, further intensify confrontation in the field of human rights, bringing a greater impact on the UN governance system, and produce serious consequences,” he said.


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Nov 21 2022 04:58pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 21 Nov 2022 20:49)
The Polish have a raging hateboner for Russia. For understandable reason, but you guys are definitely not objective or level-headed when it comes to anything Russia. Also, the rationale you gave for low German military spending is ridiculous. It takes years to ramp up military production and capacities; the Germans only getting theirs going once Russia has already started invading Poland would be far too late.

The true reason is that they rely on NATO, i.e. the U.S., for protection. American investment funds hold trillions in the Western European economy, they cannot allow a Russian takeover of Western Europe under any circumstances. Not only would it be disastrous for the American billionaire class, it would also shred the pension funds of tens of millions of Americans over night and lead to mass poverty right in the heart of the U.S.


It takes years to ramp up production, but also takes years for Russians to rebuild their Rockets, tanks, artillery etc.
Its possible that Germans think Americans will save them.
But Americans wont love to die for Germany.
what if American and Russian president find a deal?
Lets say future Putin will promise future Trump that Americans will keep the ownership of European assets?
I can imagine that. Occupation can be lighter or tougher.
Remember ww2?
In Poland if you helped a jew, there was a death sentence.
But in France there was no such ław, it was the same nazi occupation but French occupation was lighter.
Americans already made a secret deal with Taliban, there Always is a secret diplomation, even between enemies.
Its not known to the public, but its there.
And remember we are talking about Russia, a country that has literally started unprovoked fullscale war in Europe.
A country that is a terrorist state, that aims civilians.
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Nov 21 2022 05:11pm
Quote (ownyaah @ 21 Nov 2022 21:03)
I think for Europe to truly prosper:
1.Kaliningrad is given back
2. South/East Ukraine and Belarus becomes part of Russia
3. Poland acts as a bridge
4. France / Germany / Russia trilateral security/economical
5. Russia obligated to continue access of material and energy needs of Europe (all of Europe)



Why do you force Ukrainians to surrender to Russia, how about you give YOUR country to Russia occupation?
Why dont you let Russians rape YOUR wife and kill YOUR kids?

Ukrainians were fighting 100 years for their freedom, they dont give a fuck that you ask them to be Putin slaves.

About a bridge role for Poland.
Ukraine was such a bridge.
Did it work good for them? Did Russia respect their neutrality?
Of course not, lol. Russia wants to eat another country and that's it.
You make a country neutral, you call them "the bridge", then you eat it.
That's how they do. Repeat over and over, one by one.

I already told you that Russia desperately need people: slaves, workers, soldiers - whatever you call them. That's why they want to conquer central Europe.
I only dont know if they want conquer Germany also or stop at Baltics/Poland/Czechia/Hungary.

Do you know see why your idea is just plain stupid?
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Nov 21 2022 05:23pm
Quote (Ironfister @ Nov 22 2022 02:11am)
Why do you force Ukrainians to surrender to Russia, how about you give YOUR country to Russia occupation?
Why dont you let Russians rape YOUR wife and kill YOUR kids?

Ukrainians were fighting 100 years for their freedom, they dont give a fuck that you ask them to be Putin slaves.

About a bridge role for Poland.
Ukraine was such a bridge.
Did it work good for them? Did Russia respect their neutrality?
Of course not, lol. Russia wants to eat another country and that's it.
You make a country neutral, you call them "the bridge", then you eat it.
That's how they do. Repeat over and over, one by one.

I already told you that Russia desperately need people: slaves, workers, soldiers - whatever you call them. That's why they want to conquer central Europe.
I only dont know if they want conquer Germany also or stop at Baltics/Poland/Czechia/Hungary.

Do you know see why your idea is just plain stupid?


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Why do you force Ukrainians to surrender to Russia, how about you give YOUR country to Russia occupation?
Why dont you let Russians rape YOUR wife and kill YOUR kids?

Odessa, crimea, donetsk, lugansk all have russian support to begin with, historically belong to Russia and is a very cheap price to pay to further Europe as an entity. Not sure how rape is part of the equation, Germans raped your people plenty though, if you wanna talk about rape. Ukranians also buried your villagers in wells.

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Ukrainians were fighting 100 years for their freedom, they dont give a fuck that you ask them to be Putin slaves.

Good, boil down the arguments to 1 single person. (putin = sauron, russia = mordor, orcs = russians )

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About a bridge role for Poland.
Ukraine was such a bridge.

Ukraine was being turned into a nato base for US. Bombing donbass for 8 years sure sounds like a bridge. Banning russian language sure sounds like a bridge. Breaking minsk 1 and 2 sure sounds like a bridge. You sell terrible bridges.

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You make a country neutral, you call them "the bridge", then you eat it.
That's how they do. Repeat over and over, one by one.

A bridge is a neutral country that doesn't take part, situated between 2 larger spheres of influence.

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I already told you that Russia desperately need people: slaves, workers, soldiers - whatever you call them. That's why they want to conquer central Europe.
I only dont know if they want conquer Germany also or stop at Baltics/Poland/Czechia/Hungary.

Russians are orcs who live in Mordor under the control of Sauron. They will always march westwards.

None of this matters by the way, it is all fantasy. Europe as already chosen, so we will have to see how far the destruction goes, how much more escalation happens and how much of Ukraine is destroyed.

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Quote (Ironfister @ 21 Nov 2022 23:58)
It takes years to ramp up production, but also takes years for Russians to rebuild their Rockets, tanks, artillery etc.
Its possible that Germans think Americans will save them.
But Americans wont love to die for Germany.
what if American and Russian president find a deal?
Lets say future Putin will promise future Trump that Americans will keep the ownership of European assets?

Yeah, right, because Putin is well-known for being a man of his word and America's ruling class will happily risk trillions of their assets on this premise. :lol:


Quote (Palasan @ 21 Nov 2022 23:51)
China abstained on the last UN vote on Russia paying reparations to Ukraine.

In stark contrast to them voting against suspending Russia from Human Rights Council in April being just one example.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/04/1115782

This was a vote in which the yes-side would have had a majority even if all the abstaining countries had joined the no-camp. Also, it's not a legally binding resolution, it merely "calls" for establishing a compensation mechanism, without being very specific about any of the details of such a mechanism. And the mechanism would be created outside of the UN. This whole resolution basically seeks to establish a legal framework for Western nations to formally confiscate and redistribute the assets frozen on Russia's Western bank accounts.

Why should China care about something like that? That's Russia's problem and doesn't touch Chinese geopolitical interests all that much. Why expose themselves by a "no"-vote on such a resolution, particularly when it was clear that it would find a majority anyway?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 21 2022 05:26pm
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Nov 21 2022 05:27pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 22 2022 02:24am)
Yeah, right, because Putin is well-known for being a man of his word and America's ruling class will happily risk trillions of their assets on this premise. :lol:



This was a vote in which the yes-side would have had a majority even if all the abstaining countries had joined the no-camp. Also, it's not a legally binding resolution, it merely "calls" for establishing a compensation mechanism, without being very specific about any of the details of such a mechanism. And the mechanism would be created outside of the UN. This whole resolution basically seeks to establish a legal framework for Western nations to formally confiscate and redistribute the assets frozen on Russia's Western bank accounts.

Why should China care about something like that? That's Russia's problem and doesn't touch Chinese geopolitical interests all that much. Why expose themselves by a "no"-vote on such a resolution, particularly when it was clear that it would find a majority anyway?


Chinese vote quite randomly at times, and there isn't any real pattern. Also UN doesnt mean anything, in UNSC they sometimes only veto if they know russians won't veto et cetera
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Nov 21 2022 05:29pm
Quote (ownyaah @ Nov 21 2022 07:23pm)
Odessa, crimea, donetsk, lugansk all have russian support to begin with, historically belong to Russia and is a very cheap price to pay to further Europe as an entity. Not sure how rape is part of the equation, Germans raped your people plenty though, if you wanna talk about rape. Ukranians also buried your villagers in wells.


Good, boil down the arguments to 1 single person. (putin = sauron, russia = mordor, orcs = russians )


Ukraine was being turned into a nato base for US. Bombing donbass for 8 years sure sounds like a bridge. Banning russian language sure sounds like a bridge. Breaking minsk 1 and 2 sure sounds like a bridge. You sell terrible bridges.


A bridge is a neutral country that doesn't take part, situated between 2 larger spheres of influence.


Russians are orcs who live in Mordor under the control of Sauron. They will always march westwards.

None of this matters by the way, it is all fantasy. Europe as already chosen, so we will have to see how far the destruction goes, how much more escalation happens and how much of Ukraine is destroyed.


Lol @ thinking anyone ever banned Russian language, how delirious lol
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Nov 21 2022 05:33pm
Quote (Palasan @ Nov 22 2022 02:29am)
Lol @ thinking anyone ever banned Russian language, how delirious lol


Not sure why you quote me when i've specially told you, that discussion with you isn't worthwhile
One of many examples: Banning/impeding books, literature, and language in education etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_book_ban_in_Ukraine

Lets not paint a pretty picture of last 8 years "We will have jobs—they will not. We will have pensions—they will not. [....] Our children will go to schools and kindergartens—theirs will hide in the basements (cellars)."

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Quote (ownyaah @ Nov 21 2022 07:33pm)
Not sure why you quote me when i've specially told you, that discussion with you isn't worthwhile
One of many examples https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_book_ban_in_Ukraine



lol imagine importing books from a terrorist state that is attacking your sovereignty, funding terrorist separatist entities and annexing your territory under false-pretenses based on referendums held under the barrel of a gun.
Seriously how retarded are you? 60%+ of Pre-war Ukraine spoke Russian and prior to becoming president, Zelensky spoke primarily Russian.

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