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Quote (ownyaah @ 21 Nov 2022 15:24)
You have a very child-like understanding of politics, the world doesn't work like you imagine it.

Books I recommend as starting point, they have different approaches/perspectives and view things through authors lenses so expect biases, nonetheless very insightful. :
Diplomacy
Satow's diplomatic practise
Guns, germs and steel
Foundations of geopolitics, I don't usually recommend this one, but given the conflict it can be insightful


We know Russian leaders very well over here.
We have been fighting them for past 300years.
They left Poland only 30years ago, during ussr collapse, and now they want to come back.
Its just not an ordinary country, that does politics and tries to please their own people to win election.
In Russia leaders dont give a fuck about their own people.
You cant say bad things about your government there.
They only want more tanks, more artillery, more ammo, more Rockets, more soldiers etc.
Instead of making people rich and happy, they use tv to spread propaganda.
When you combine all of it, that's sick as hell.
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Nov 21 2022 09:42am
1733 pages later, orc sympathizers still licking authoritarian boots

This post was edited by duffman316 on Nov 21 2022 09:42am
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Quote (ownyaah @ 21 Nov 2022 15:35)
The thing is, your views are completely nonsensical. I will give you an example, Dugin, although at times influence is overstated does have some influence. He argues that Kaliningrad should be returned to Germany, and estonia etc being under german sphere. Whilst at the same time Transnistria, belarus and ukraine becoming Russia proper. The idea is that forming a Berlin-Moscow axis with the French and a united Europe is far more favorable for everyone in Europe. He also argues that UK is an extraterritorial floating base of US which hinders unification of European security and economic apparatus ( I agree with this 100% ). Furthermore a united Europe would be able to hold itself against the 2 super powers (china / US) without being picked apart and destroyed by them.

There are many more ideas, but the thing is, none of this is about "slavery or good vs evil". Russia and Germany utterly failed at unifying Europe, with UK destroying NS1 and NS2 that is completely dead in the water. Remember when Merkle+Putin tried to stop the developing situation, minsk 1 and minsk 2? Europe is headed towards polarization and internal conflict, being divided and conquered by China/US.

Anyway this is my attempt at giving you some perspective, if your gonna be some monkey 13 iq then so be it. I don't like Dugin because his views are too biased btw, but they are insightful.


Basically the guy offered a small Kaliningrad to Germany, while taking 20times as much land/people to Russia.
This is a typical Russian politics.
In the end they will take these new territories, but forget about giving what they promised, they will make up some story like "our people in Kaliningrad decided to stay with Russia" :)
There are more countries in Europe than Russia, Germany and France.
Germany have failed their task of being European leader.
Like they made their economy dependant on a gas pipeline from Russia.
Like they shut down nuclear plants, that gave them energy independence.
Like what they spend on military? Much below NATO guidelines.
Very low, they depend on USA to protect them.
Like their ex-chancellor is now employee and friend of Gazprom.
Is this how a leader country should act in these fields? Totally not.
If you have such "leaders" in Europe dont be surprised that countries in central Europe try to build alliances with USA, at least this is a serious country that knows military is important to keep peace.
And a final question. If you only see 3 countries in Europe, and give them some kind of special status to rule the Europe, how can you expect all European countries to peacefully unite?
Like what is your offer to people in Poland, in Spain, in Netherlands, in Finland etc?
"Became our vassals because we are bigger country"
Is this the plan you have? It doesnt really look good, lol.
EU is nice because it actually gives all European countries some voice, some voting power.
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Nov 21 2022 10:07am
Quote (ownyaah @ Nov 21 2022 02:35pm)
The thing is, your views are completely nonsensical. I will give you an example, Dugin, although at times influence is overstated does have some influence. He argues that Kaliningrad should be returned to Germany, and estonia etc being under german sphere. Whilst at the same time Transnistria, belarus and ukraine becoming Russia proper. The idea is that forming a Berlin-Moscow axis with the French and a united Europe is far more favorable for everyone in Europe. He also argues that UK is an extraterritorial floating base of US which hinders unification of European security and economic apparatus ( I agree with this 100% ). Furthermore a united Europe would be able to hold itself against the 2 super powers (china / US) without being picked apart and destroyed by them.

There are many more ideas, but the thing is, none of this is about "slavery or good vs evil". Russia and Germany utterly failed at unifying Europe, with UK destroying NS1 and NS2 that is completely dead in the water. Remember when Merkle+Putin tried to stop the developing situation, minsk 1 and minsk 2? Europe is headed towards polarization and internal conflict, being divided and conquered by China/US.

Anyway this is my attempt at giving you some perspective, if your gonna be some monkey 13 iq then so be it. I don't like Dugin because his views are too biased btw, but they are insightful.


It was extraterritorial US/UK Scuba diving dolphin-riding NAZI SAS soldiers right?

In seriousness, what evidence is there for UK destroying NS1 and NS2?
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Nov 21 2022 10:16am
Quote (Palasan @ 21 Nov 2022 15:36)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Sjrl8zAeA

Russian fascist deported B)


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Quote (Ironfister @ Nov 21 2022 06:49pm)
Basically the guy offered a small Kaliningrad to Germany, while taking 20times as much land/people to Russia.
This is a typical Russian politics.
In the end they will take these new territories, but forget about giving what they promised, they will make up some story like "our people in Kaliningrad decided to stay with Russia" :)
There are more countries in Europe than Russia, Germany and France.
Germany have failed their task of being European leader.
Like they made their economy dependant on a gas pipeline from Russia.
Like they shut down nuclear plants, that gave them energy independence.
Like what they spend on military? Much below NATO guidelines.
Very low, they depend on USA to protect them.
Like their ex-chancellor is now employee and friend of Gazprom.
Is this how a leader country should act in these fields? Totally not.
If you have such "leaders" in Europe dont be surprised that countries in central Europe try to build alliances with USA, at least this is a serious country that knows military is important to keep peace.
And a final question. If you only see 3 countries in Europe, and give them some kind of special status to rule the Europe, how can you expect all European countries to peacefully unite?
Like what is your offer to people in Poland, in Spain, in Netherlands, in Finland etc?
"Became our vassals because we are bigger country"
Is this the plan you have? It doesnt really look good, lol.
EU is nice because it actually gives all European countries some voice, some voting power.


Your views is basically, Europe should be divided and picked apart by US/China rather than stand as the 3rd super power. As for economic dependency, what is wrong with European countries depending on each other, is it better they are dependent on American LNG? Also European nuclear plants have always been dependent on Russia for enriched fuel. There is a lot of flaws in the stuff you say, very little of it makes sense, if you are pro-"Europe".

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Like what is your offer to people in Poland, in Spain, in Netherlands, in Finland etc?


Each has a role to play, but you can't expect those countries to have the same role as Germany/France. Even someone as biased as dungin talks about special-role of Poland. Being US-pawns and dividing up Europe between china/US is 100 times worse (for europe)

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EU is nice because it actually gives all European countries some voice, some voting power.

This is kind of not correct, countries are coerced into the line(just listen to what von der layen says about hungary/italy). Foreign-policy of Eu is decided first and foremost by US, which isn't even member state.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 21 2022 11:02am
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It was extraterritorial US/UK Scuba diving dolphin-riding NAZI SAS soldiers right?

In seriousness, what evidence is there for UK destroying NS1 and NS2?


(My guess is) 80% UK, 15% poland, 5%US. But order is 100% from US. Anyone who says it wasn't one of these 3 countries isn't being serious and should be ignored from any discussions.

As for sources, it took 65 years before US admitted to coup of Mosaddegh, so you will get your source in a 50-100 year timeframe. Just asking for a source in this case, is indictive of a lack of depth on your part.

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In August 2013 the U.S. government formally acknowledged the U.S. role in the coup by releasing a bulk of previously classified government documents that show it was in charge of both the planning and the execution of the coup, including the bribing of Iranian politicians, security and army high-ranking officials, as well as pro-coup propaganda.


This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 21 2022 11:08am
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Quote (ownyaah @ Nov 21 2022 05:03pm)
(My guess is) 80% UK, 15% poland, 5%US. But order is 100% from US. Anyone who says it wasn't one of these 3 countries isn't being serious and should be ignored from any discussions.

As for sources, it took 65 years before US admitted to coup of Mosaddegh, so you will get your source in 50 years or so. Just asking for a source in this case, is indictive of a lack of depth on your part.


So absolutely no evidence then?
I guess in Putin land that equals an indisputable fact.
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Nov 21 2022 08:08pm)
So absolutely no evidence then?
I guess in Putin land that equals an indisputable fact.


Thing is you lose credibility with such statements. What are you expecting? For US/UK/Poland to hold a live show making fun of destroying civilian infrastructure (of 1# nuclear armed nation) in a conflict they aren't technically engaged in?

Russia so far:
Blow up their 40billion USD infrastructure + lose leverage on Germany
Bombing nuclear-power station under their control
Blew up the Kerch bridge


This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 21 2022 11:19am
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Quote (ownyaah @ Nov 21 2022 05:17pm)
Thing is you lose credibility with such statements. What are you expecting? For US/UK/Poland to hold a live show making fun of destroying civilian infrastructure (of 1# nuclear armed nation) in a conflict they aren't engaged in?


Not sure what you are alluding to in your ramblings.

Just to confirm, you cannot provide any evidence to backup your claim?
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