Prepare for more accidents then

Nobody joins the war here.
Not a single soldier was sent from Poland, not a single Rocket was sent from Poland to attack Russians.

First of all,
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

Second of all,
We, Poland, are already on the Russian's bear "wanna eat" list.
Just as Baltic states, Czechia, Hungary, maybe even Germany, Finland, Sweden etc.
Everybody knows that Russia wont stop at Ukraine, its not enough for them.
So we cant really make our position any worse by staying nice with our Ukrainian neighbours.
But if we stay nice with Ukraine, we can actually make our position better if Ukraine stops Russia.

so you seems to know who is the devil and who isnt.. ok...
yeah all know poland people dont like russian people, for some old reason, but no need to light up the fire anymore.
and its a desilisuion to think russia gonna take all other, why russia will need other country, russia isnt bigger anymor? she got all , gas, oil ect...


so one again its the fear who speak, and not your mind.

This post was edited by Pisior on Nov 21 2022 06:04am

1. Can't take you seriously. Countries are extremely rarely inherently "evil", they follow by the principle of "the end justifies the means". As an example, I don't believe Americans to be inherently evil because they killed millions of iraqis/syrians/libyans/houtis, it happened because of the same guiding principle, where they did it because of inherent/view of inherent interests (if it yielded the results or happened in line with scenarios of satisfaction is another discussion)


2. At least you tried to make a point, whether it is valid or not is up for debate. Let me paraphrase it for you in a way that is more logical, and sensible: "It is better to hurt Russian military/economical capabilities using Ukranian-bodybags than NATO troops."

3. Your take on politics is in line with holywood-movies-level. Why are you here, instead of discussing the marvel movies? https://forums.d2jsp.org/forum.php?f=197

Just realized you are polish, now it makes sense.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 21 2022 06:28am

I literally said it 3 posts before:
Russia is only 9th populous country in the world, and also 9th world economy. Even with all their territory and their resources, they are still no#9. A mid-sized country, but not an empire.
They need people, they need economy to became an empire. Right now Russia is not much more than a gas station to the world.

Russia has unprovoked attacked peaceful people of Ukraine, and do war crimes there.
So they are lighting up the fire in Europe, not me.
If you unprovoked attack once, and succeed, then you will unprovoked attack another time and repeat it over and over.

but its a war! there is no war without blood and tragedy... what did you expect?

if you stay at your place, you will see that russia will never put a feet on poland. so stop to be scared. relax.

Nobody thinks of Ukrainians as bodybags.
We wanted to get them into NATO, because we believe everybody deserves protection. In every country. But France and Germany said "no, we wont accept Ukraine into NATO as we believe that Putin is a nice guy and we dont want to have him displeased"
They were wrong, so much wrong

Now what can Ukrainians do.
Option 1)
They can give up, and became Russian slaves. Have their leaders and intelligence killed. Have their woman raped, and man forcefully drafted into army to conquer even more countries. Have the remaining people either work for 20usd per month or sent to some freezing Syberia. And lets not forget about the great hunger, that killed millions of Ukrainians in the past.
Not a good perspective really.

Option 2)
They can fight and defend themselves, just as they do currently.
And eventually win and hopefully become part of EU and NATO.

Its Ukrainians own decision to fight back, nobody in the west forces them to do so.

"peaceful people of ukraine"

Same as thoses
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germany
/10

This post was edited by Melatonina on Nov 21 2022 06:50am

So your political understanding boils down to:
1. Everything adversaries do is unprovoked evil, and they have plans to turn slaves of everyone. They don't have any interests.
2. Everything you do is by gods-grace good, it isn't because of interests.

Doesn't strike me as reasonable

This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 21 2022 07:05am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Belgian_collaborators_with_Nazi_Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskommissariat_Niederlande
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_France

Your point? Ukrainians turned on Germans fast, not like your ancestors that needed to US to hold their hand.