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Nov 21 2022 02:50am
Quote (ownyaah @ 20 Nov 2022 23:39)
(Ukrainians) Disregarding the situation that they are in, not acknowledging that west is using them, like this is some sort of crusade vs evil. You can acknowledge that and still support the cause, that is perfectly reasonable. But to disregard it, is ridiculous.


Putin's Russia is an evil country. They want conquests. Be it either more peaceful conquests, like in Belarus, or an open war like in Ukraine.
Russia is lacking people. Ussr's "Warsaw pact" was like 15% of world population. Now today Russia is only like 2%.
This is why they have to conquer more countries, to rebuild the empire. To have people that they can send to war. People that will make more arms for them, so they could conquer even more countries. More arms, more soldiers, more agents and spies and corruption all over the world.
Its a pure definition of evil imo.
Ukrainians dont want to be part of it so they resist.
And we support them in EU and USA because of two reasons:
1) we are good guys who dont want evil.
2) its better we stop Russians in Ukraine than have them attack NATO.
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Nov 21 2022 02:59am
Quote (Ironfister @ 21 Nov 2022 11:50)
Putin's Russia is an evil country. They want conquests. Be it either more peaceful conquests, like in Belarus, or an open war like in Ukraine.
Russia is lacking people. Ussr's "Warsaw pact" was like 15% of world population. Now today Russia is only like 2%.
This is why they have to conquer more countries, to rebuild the empire. To have people that they can send to war. People that will make more arms for them, so they could conquer even more countries. More arms, more soldiers, more agents and spies and corruption all over the world.
Its a pure definition of evil imo.
Ukrainians dont want to be part of it so they resist.
And we support them in EU and USA because of two reasons:
1) we are good guys who dont want evil.
2) its better we stop Russians in Ukraine than have them attack NATO.


They already did it Przewoduw, no response
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Nov 21 2022 03:12am
Pro-Kremlin neo-Nazi militia inciting the torture and murder of Ukrainian prisoners

Task Force Rusich, linked to the Wagner Group, advises its fighters not to report the capture of Ukrainians to Russian commandersA neo-Nazi pro-Kremlin group active in Ukraine is inciting atrocities against prisoners of war and explicitly advocates the torture of captives including “removing body parts”. The self-styled “Task Force Rusich” is fighting in Ukraine on behalf of the Kremlin and is linked to the notorious Wagner Group mercenaries.

A message on Rusich’s Telegram channel sent on 22 September advocates the “destruction of prisoners on the spot”.

A spokesman for Tech Against Terrorism“, a London-based initiative supported by the United Nations, said: “Rusich, an openly neo-Nazi group highly likely operating on behalf of the Kremlin, has promoted the commission of war crimes in the conflict.

“Despite Putin’s claims, the actions of Rusich in the conflict demonstrate the concerning prominence of neo-Nazi groups committing atrocities on behalf of the Kremlin.”

Rusich fighters, known for their brutality in Syria and the 2014 war in Crimea, have been spotted on open sources in Ukraine’s Donbas region, Kherson and in the Kharkiv region.

The US Treasury department announced on 15 September that it was taking economic measures against Rusich, which it linked it to the Wagner Group. It described Rusich as “a neo-Nazi paramilitary group that has participated in combat alongside Russia’s military in Ukraine”.

The spokesman said: “We strongly encourage other democracies to consider applying meaningful sanctions against Rusich and explore whether it is appropriate to designate Rusich or the Wagner Group a terrorist organisation.”

“We believe broader designation of Rusich will almost certainly significantly reduce its ability to coordinate attacks, recruit militants, and spread propaganda using internet platforms and messaging apps.”

The Rusich Telegram post contains specific and detailed instructions for the channel’s followers on the “disposal of prisoners of war from the armed forces of Ukraine”.

Its key points also include explicit instructions to murder captives after interrogation and encourages forcing the families of murdered captives to pay Rusich for the coordinates of their loved ones’ bodies.

It says the capture of Ukrainians should not be reported to the pro-Kremlin command, and if a report has to be made, it should say that the captive is already injured or dying.

The post appears to have been made in response to the recent negotiated release of prisoners by Russia which included five Britons.
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Nov 21 2022 04:32am
yes and ? all country got their nazi.

This post was edited by Pisior on Nov 21 2022 04:32am
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Nov 21 2022 05:05am
Quote (Norlander @ 21 Nov 2022 09:59)
They already did it Przewoduw, no response


That was an accident. What kind of response for an accident do you expect?
Obviously when there is a war next to the border, there will be some lost rockets falling on the wrong side of the border from time to time.
The more we help Ukrainians, the faster Russians will have to retreat to Russia and stop the war and Rockets will stop flying around.
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Nov 21 2022 05:18am
Quote (Ironfister @ Nov 21 2022 12:05pm)
That was an accident. What kind of response for an accident do you expect?
Obviously when there is a war next to the border, there will be some lost rockets falling on the wrong side of the border from time to time.
The more we help Ukrainians, the faster Russians will have to retreat to Russia and stop the war and Rockets will stop flying around.


are you from russian or ukraine.? if not stop to join a war isnt yours. if you want help somthing give some coins to the guy on the pavment on your street

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Nov 21 2022 05:32am
Quote (ownyaah @ 20 Nov 2022 22:43)
Ukraine has always been a piss poor country, now it will be a warn-torn country as well.

Shouldn't make fun of other countries when your gdp per capita is 1/3-4 of theirs (prewar), and now probably closer to 1/10. But it is fine, because after all of this Europe will turn Kiev into the next schweiz right?


Ukrainians have made a mistake imo: they didnt break completely with Russia when they had a chance in early 90s.
I understand it, they had some ties with Russia, after all Russians are descendants of Ukraine.
So its kind of England-Usa relations. Not easy to tear it up.
Russia were making troubles in Ukraine for like 25years already.
Buying spies, buying politicians, making propaganda lies.
And even before the 2022 war, it was a country past 2014war, at a high risk of war.
All of these was not good for making business.
So its not fair to blame Ukrainians for their country being poorer.
It isnt Ukraine fault that some NATO countries didnt want Ukraine to join NATO, in order not to provoke Russia.
Still the Russia attacked unprovoked, what a mess.
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