LMAO

So the special miltary operation went to plan?

Skinhead, deadhead
Everybody gone bad

I never said it's going to plan and I didn't support it. I said from the beginning that the West should've entered serious negotiations instead of giving Russia the finger.

(I don't think you remember but ~1 year ago Russia proposed new security framework, instead of entering negotiations they got the finger. Read: you're bad and if we want to absorb Ukraine into NATO and EU that's out business. We don't care Ukraine's a former Soviet republic, we're gonna take it suck it up)

Can you refresh me a little bit, was Russia trying to get the United States on the table to try and get an agreement in regards to their security concerns for the past couple of years in regards to Ukraine? But they were brushed off every time.

So it's not going to plan?

I wonder how Russian people feel about that. Putin's dictatorship is built on the confidence in his supposed strength. Failing to dominate Ukraine militarily is clearly a sign of weakness.

Whether they admit it or not, the invasion of Ukraine has been a disaster for Russia. There will also be more NATO co-operation now than if Putin had not invaded.

Russia proposed a new security framework because NATO/EU have kept expanding East since the breakup of the Soviet Union.

So yes they tried to get NATO to enter negotiations but the reply they got was that Russian terms were not acceptable (a non-starter, literal words).

That said I agree that not all Russian terms would be acceptable like NATO pulling out of Eastern EU. It's obviously too late for that and won't happen.

However halting further expansion would be a logical step to prevent further escalation and this should've been the focus point of the negotiations.

Pulling out no, halting further expansion yes. Give and take that's how international politics work. So, NATO fucked up simple as that. They didn't even want to negotiate.




Clearly this is going to drag on for years and years. Everybody understands that Ukraine is only holding out because of massive Western aid. Russian people know this and btw are told so on a daily basis on Russian state media.

And let me correct you, the invasion has been a disaster for the world. Not just for Russia.

Whatever makes you feel better about Putin's disaster.

Objectivity isn't your strongest point but that seems to be the norm here

Wait your not attacking my character yet? You've sobered up.
I'd argue it's not been a disaster for the whole world, to the same extent as it is for Russia. It's obviously a setback for the global economy. It's also humanitarian disaster in terms of food poverty in certain countries.

Economically for the US. It's been far less disruptive than for Russia. Less so for Europe. In the short term it will hurt EU competitiveness and industrial output through decreased gas supply from Russia. The EU will shift away from relying on Russia for energy supply and in the long-term Russia's economy will be destroyed. Putin knew this. He's been on a timer to accomplish his geo-political goals. In real terms it has only increased the rate at which nations will seek to shift away from dependence on Russia.

Militarily it's been an absolute boon for NATO. Russia has just played its hand and lost in Ukraine militarily.

The leaders of NATO might be saying they don't want the war to continue. Behind the scenes they are absolutely fine with Putin pouring resources and troops into the meatgrinder.