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Jun 28 2018 02:46pm
Quote (Horford @ Jun 26 2018 04:52pm)
4 probably a 5 (but 5 can't really be proven to my knowledge so i'll go with a 4.

So, in your opinion, Russia had a significant impact, & in fact probably swayed the whole 2016 election in Trump’s favor, although it “probably can’t be proven”

That’s both interesting & telling.

1) Based on what ?

2) What exactly do you think they did ?
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So, in your opinion, Russia had a significant impact, & in fact probably swayed the whole 2016 election in Trump’s favor, although it “probably can’t be proven”

That’s both interesting & telling.

1) Based on what ?

2) What exactly do you think they did ?


Has nothing to do woth what I think...

The election was effectively decided by about 70,000 votes in 3 states. The Russians (by means of troll farms) had a massive influence in creating social media posts/memes that sowed discord throughout the election process... i mean you had people showing up to fake rallies (in texas i believe? Or florida?) that were organized by russians... and you had people like Don Jr. (And others, like the Gorka's and such) literally retweeting russian propoganda... facebook admitted millions of people saw Russian facebook ads that they (the facebook users) didn't even know were Russian ads. I don't think it's a stretch of imagination to think that 70,000 votes were influenced by Russian propoganda/social media presence.

The reason why i go with a 4 and not 5 is that Comey had a big effect as well i believe (amongst other things), but i think Russia and Comey together more than likely swung it to a Trump victory.
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Jun 28 2018 07:33pm
Mueller looking into why billionaire russian oligarchs (Vekselberg, Intrater, and others) were at invitation-only inauguration day events which are typically reserved for top donors, per ABC news

Gee, i wonder why? Probably a perfectly reasonable non-treasonous explanation.
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Jun 28 2018 09:34pm
Quote (Horford @ 28 Jun 2018 21:27)
Has nothing to do woth what I think...

The election was effectively decided by about 70,000 votes in 3 states. The Russians (by means of troll farms) had a massive influence in creating social media posts/memes that sowed discord throughout the election process... i mean you had people showing up to fake rallies (in texas i believe? Or florida?) that were organized by russians... and you had people like Don Jr. (And others, like the Gorka's and such) literally retweeting russian propoganda... facebook admitted millions of people saw Russian facebook ads that they (the facebook users) didn't even know were Russian ads. I don't think it's a stretch of imagination to think that 70,000 votes were influenced by Russian propoganda/social media presence.

The reason why i go with a 4 and not 5 is that Comey had a big effect as well i believe (amongst other things), but i think Russia and Comey together more than likely swung it to a Trump victory.


so facebook sold “ad space” to ‘russian’ shitposters, which made people ‘go to fake rallies in texas i believe? and florida?’ which in turn forced hillary clinton and her campaign to ignore her husband’s advice and campaign basically not at all in wisconsin/michigan/pennsylvania, opting instead to fundraise in california. this then forced people in 3 states 5 states which voted for pres obama twice to turn from ‘enlightened, not racist progressives’ into reich-wing white supremacists, voting in 2016 for the orange person instead of the white person.

ok.
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so facebook sold “ad space” to ‘russian’ shitposters, which made people ‘go to fake rallies in texas i believe? and florida?’ which in turn forced hillary clinton and her campaign to ignore her husband’s advice and campaign basically not at all in wisconsin/michigan/pennsylvania, opting instead to fundraise in california. this then forced people in 3 states 5 states which voted for pres obama twice to turn from ‘enlightened, not racist progressives’ into reich-wing white supremacists, voting in 2016 for the orange person instead of the white person.

ok.


It [russian media presence in U.S. presidential election] definitely could've changed the opinions of undecided voters, considering how millions of facebook users saw the ads, not sure how you could think otherwise... that's why I said 4 not a 5 responding to the dude's question... like i said, other factors are at play like Comey, and Hillary's poor campaign strategy also was a factor though i believe less so than russia and comey.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/05/politics/michael-cohen-lanny-davis-hire/index.html

Lanny Davis, a lawyer close to the Clintons, hired by Michael Cohen. Good times.
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[URL=https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/05/politics/michael-cohen-lanny-davis-hire/index.html]https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/05/politics/michael-cohen-lanny-davis-hire/index.html[/URL]

Lanny Davis, a lawyer close to the Clintons, hired by Michael Cohen. Good times.


interesting, article says Cohen doesn't think Trump would pardon him.

Cohen is going to 🎶🎵🎶🎵 hopefully
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Jul 7 2018 10:45am
your "law and order" administration ladies & gentlemen: Giuliani wants to ignore all legal/criminal investigations and use public opinion instead.

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“Nobody is going to consider impeachment if public opinion has concluded this is an unfair investigation, and that’s why public opinion is so important,” Giuliani told The Times.


thehill.com/homenews/administration/395907-giuliani-mueller-needs-to-prove-trump-committed-crime-before-agreeing?
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Quote (Ghot @ Jun 21 2018 08:19pm)
Keep in mind that Chen is a lawyer too. He won't be "fooled" into flipping at least.

I doubt that after all the optics on this, he will get off clean IF he flips. So I pretty much see him not flipping, and Trump pardoning him.

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http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/396381-michael-cohen-has-made-a-declaration-of-independence-from-president-trump
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Jul 10 2018 06:10pm
can't click your link sorry sir
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