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Quote (ownyaah @ 19 Nov 2022 19:24)
There is a reason that happened and it isn't because of a green agenda.

Of course the fracking industry is a boom and bust type of industry, and of course it went through a bust period during covid. But with the soaring prices, it was in position to rebound tremendously since the spring of 2021... if not for the Biden admin, and the decarbonization movement in general, creating a political environment in which nobody is willing to invest in fossils anymore. Note that fracking is relatively quick to get online, it would already be alleviating global gas prices right now if not for political roadblocks.

Quote (kusotarre1 @ 19 Nov 2022 19:28)
Also, the 'green agenda' isn't at odds with any of this. Europe just needed to build a bunch of nuclear plants. Problem is that the only way to do that in a timely manner is through state-led industrial policy, and decades of neoliberalization have withered both the state's existing power to do these things as well as the political climate to retake that power.

France used to be able to go from site selection to turning the reactors on in just 5-7 years. Now it takes decades and struggles through PPP nightmares.

For the German Greens, nuclear energy is not part of the green agenda. Also, the French neglected their nuclear power plants for years, leading to a lot of them having to be shut down for maintenance this summer. Talk about bad timing...

More broadly speaking, the vast majority of European industries and businesses would be fine if the price of natural gas doubled from where it was in 2019 - slightly higher energy costs than in the US or some places of Asia doesn't spell doom for European competitiveness. (There are ofc a handful of exceptions in particularly energy-intense industries.) What they can't cope with in the long run is when gas prices are 4 or 5 times as high as elsewhere.
We will see where they settle in the long run.

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Quote (kusotarre1 @ Nov 19 2022 08:46pm)
Yeah, the scariest thing for neocolonial powers is their victims having an alternative option.

To bring this back on topic, the inability to accept a nominally independent country taking an alternative, fairer deal is precisely what kicked off the Maidan coup.



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Quote (kusotarre1 @ 20 Nov 2022 03:37)
Earlier, IMO. I very much doubt they think they have 9 more years to arrest China's development in key areas.


The IMF deal required Ukraine to raise taxes and freeze pensions and salaries.

It's such a good deal that America had to do a coup to make it happen! No brainer lmao


Personally please don't be earlier.
I had a discussion on this with a few close friends from China , HK and Taiwan during our drinking session 2 weeks back.
China will need to decouple from the United States " first" or as much as possible before that even happen. it will take at least 8 to 10 years in my opinion.

Some of my mates say that they are watching the Russia /Ukraine situation very clearly before making any moves , it needs to be calculated very carefully.

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 19 2022 09:41pm)
Personally please don't be earlier.
I had a discussion on this with a few close friends from China , HK and Taiwan during our drinking session 2 weeks back.
China will need to decouple from the United States " first" or as much as possible before that even happen. it will take at least 8 to 10 years in my opinion.

Some of my mates say that they are watching the Russia /Ukraine situation very clearly before making any moves , it needs to be calculated very carefully.



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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 19 2022 11:39am)
For the German Greens, nuclear energy is not part of the green agenda. Also, the French neglected their nuclear power plants for years, leading to a lot of them having to be shut down for maintenance this summer.

K, so fix it?

China is building 150 nuclear plants over the next few decades, are you just gonna sit there arguing that Europeans are too stupid and corrupt to match them?

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 19 2022 11:39am)
We will see where they settle in the long run.

We can see where things are settling in just 9 months.

When they leave they aren't coming back, you know that, right? To lure them back requires advantages versus where they'll be that are similar to the disadvantages that they are pushing them to leave presently.

What do you suppose that's gonna be? Energy cost parity, which you won't even have versus America or China, isn't going to be sufficient. You think the European workforce is that much better? That the regulatory environment is that much better? You think Europe is going to go mercantilist and demand onshoring?

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 19 2022 11:41am)
Personally please don't be earlier.
I had a discussion on this with a few close friends from China , HK and Taiwan during our drinking session 2 weeks back.
China will need to decouple from the United States " first" or as much as possible before that even happen. it will take at least 8 to 10 years in my opinion.

Some of my mates say that they are watching the Russia /Ukraine situation very clearly before making any moves , it needs to be calculated very carefully.

Of course it should be approached carefully, but the antagonist China is facing doesn't have the ability to act carefully. It just stumbles from one insane escalation to the next while competing factions counteract each others movements depending on how hawkish they are.

Consider this, from a recent story about chip sanctions:

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There’s a sense in Japan that US companies will manage to continue to do business with China while others suffer. One complaint was the controls will spur Beijing to advance its chip technology, leaving the US and China strengthened and everyone else at a disadvantage.

Yet American equipment suppliers are livid.

Applied Materials, Lam Research and KLA helped Washington craft a detailed list of very targeted items that they identified as choke points for Beijing’s development of chip technologies after meeting with Raimondo in July to talk about how to limit China’s capabilities without hurting the US companies’ market shares.

They were promised the government wouldn’t move ahead with the controls before having allies onboard. However, the government officials failed to convince partners or inform the chip firms of their plans to implement the measures in October. Just days before the announcement, they were no longer picking up calls from the companies concerned. The firms are now skeptical of a deal within the nine-month timeframe cited by Raimondo. All three companies declined to comment for this story.

America is volatile, and it's running out of time. There are no longer any Kissingers or Brennans or Brzezinskis in America, now they have Nulands and Blinkens and Sullivans. In other words: morons.

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Quote (kusotarre1 @ 20 Nov 2022 03:46)
K, so fix it?

China is building 150 nuclear plants over the next few decades, are you just gonna sit there arguing that Europeans are too stupid and corrupt to match them?


We can see where things are settling in just 9 months.

When they leave they aren't coming back, you know that, right? To lure them back requires advantages versus where they'll be that are similar to the disadvantages that they are pushing them to leave presently.

What do you suppose that's gonna be? Energy cost parity, which you won't even have versus America or China, isn't going to be sufficient. You think the European workforce is that much better? That the regulatory environment is that much better? You think Europe is going to go mercantilist and demand onshoring?


Of course it should be approached carefully, but the antagonist China is facing doesn't have the ability to act carefully. It just stumbles from one insane escalation to the next while competing factions counteract each others movements depending on how hawkish they are.

Consider this, from a recent story about chip sanctions:


America is volatile, and it's running out of time. There are no longer any Kissingers or Brennans or Brzezinskis in America, now they have Nulands and Blinkens and Sullivans. In other words: morons.


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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 19 2022 12:01pm)
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Don't read too much into that, lol. Kissinger's failure to understand the nature of the CPC is what has put America on the verge of losing it's ability to inflict empire on people.

Brennan said the worst thing that could happen is an alliance or trade bloc consisting of Russia, China and Iran and now that's happened.

Brzezinski dismissed "radical agitated moslems" as a minor concern but it's a big driver of America's current political and geopolitical dysfunction.

And it goes without saying that each of them are objectively evil people.

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Quote (kusotarre1 @ 20 Nov 2022 04:06)
Don't read too much into that, lol. Kissinger's failure to understand the nature of the CPC is what has put America on the verge of losing it's ability to inflict empire on people.

Brennan said the worst thing that could happen is an alliance or trade bloc consisting of Russia, China and Iran and now that's happened.

Brzezinski dismissed "radical agitated moslems" as a minor concern but it's a big driver of America's current political and geopolitical dysfunction.

And it goes without saying that each of them are objectively evil people.


That is true, but they are from the school of Realpolitik which I thoroughly enjoy.

Also Hans-Dietrich Genscher, Ludwig von Rochau, Helmut Schmidt

And read his stuff Halford Mackinder

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Nov 19 2022 02:19pm
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Lol china can't build a fucking barn for cattle properly, imagine if they ever build 150 nuclear reactors, whole world will be fucked. Gooks already buying clean air in baloons to breath for few minutes a day due to pollution, imagine 150 reactors when China knows jack shit about proper disposal procedures. China is a fucking 3rd world masquerading as Dubai lmao
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