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Jun 5 2020 02:13am
Quote (balrog66 @ Jun 5 2020 12:55am)
Pretty great Twitter thread on one of Dave Chappelle's experiences:


South Africa is in critical condition, where without the charity of foreign nations (such as the US) they would starve, due to their own injustice towards their own farmers. That's the injustice of the majority towards the minority, with police assistance.

How is the critical mass figure supposed to be comparable to what's occurring today?
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When the Jackass cast is this hesitant to test crowd dispersal weapons you know it's bad.

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South Africa is in critical condition, where without the charity of foreign nations (such as the US) they would starve, due to their own injustice towards their own farmers. That's the injustice of the majority towards the minority, with police assistance.

How is the critical mass figure supposed to be comparable to what's occurring today?


Are we going to pretend apartheid never happened now?
Injustice?
That land was stolen in the first place.
Might want to read up on what happened over there, because the current situation is just the flip side, before it was tyranny of the minority and people were still starving, just not white people.

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I just want to go back a couple days of narrative and put something into perspective
Here was the family lawyer announcing the results of their "independent" autopsy:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/independent-autopsy-george-floyd-findings-announced/story?id=70994827

the very first words in that video he says are "Mister Floyd had no underlying medical problem that caused or contributed to his death. This is confirmed by information provided to Dr. Wilson and myself from the family. He was in good health".

meanwhile actual autopsy report was severe hypertension, severe heart disease, 75% blocked left coronal artery, 90% blocked right coronal artery, sickle cell anemia, severe left ventricular hypertrophy, abnormally large heart and 75% blockage in other arteries. And the poly-substance abuse of which the fentanyl alone could be deadly. And Covid-19. A
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Quote (balrog66 @ Jun 5 2020 10:32am)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb1kLqoiDuA

When the Jackass cast is this hesitant to test crowd dispersal weapons you know it's bad.


Used to protect the gates of embassies / prevent mobs to break into the embassy.


He could have been more specific saying embassy staff simply need this level of protection in various shit hole countries.

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A higher crime rate is also a consequence of over-policing.

Let's say we have two neighborhoods with equal crime rates. One week the cops implement a system to assign more cops to a location based on the previous week's crime rate for that neighborhood. Last week neighborhood A had 8 crimes, and 4 were caught, but neighborhood had 8 crimes and 5 were caught, just by luck. Next week, both have 10 crimes, but because more police were assigned to neighborhood B the number caught was 8 and neighborhood A had 3 crimes caught because less were assigned. Next week even more police are assigned to B because now the difference is 8 vs 3. Repeat for years and years. Eventually neighborhood B is deteriorated because you've over-policed them, nobody trusts the cops, and the crime rate might truly be higher, but it was caused by over-policing.

In this case, we know for a fact that over-policing and uneven enforcement is caused by racism because it stems from laws that were specifically designed to target those communities. So we don't even really need to look at the analogy I gave, because we already know that crime rates are similar among populations (i.e. drug use and dealing) but one gets policed more and so gets more caught. Add in that the police are largely the cause of the "black people don't have fathers" trope because they've targeted the adult males of the community who were historically the breadwinners and.... lets just say the conclusion is basically written on the wall.


You're describing one possible mechanism, and I dont disagree with it. What I disagree with is your notion that this particular mechanism is what has created the big majority of deprived black communities.

Regarding the bolded part: on quite literally any type of violent crime, blacks are vastly overrepresented (on a per capita basis) compared to whites and even latinos or asians. Drug use and dealing is perhaps the only type of crime where you can find (poor) white communities which are as bad black ones.


Quote (Goomshill @ 5 Jun 2020 05:50)
I don't think a poster is reasonable unless they're willing to defend the cop's rights to due process whether or not they're guilty
Circling back to what I said the other day, you don't achieve liberties by taking them away from someone else
There's something very wrong with a society where its absolutely haram to defend the rights of those accused under unclear circumstances but perfectly kosher to celebrate cops getting murdered in terrorist attacks.


Like thor already said, this cop will get a proper trial at a proper court. His due process rights have not been violated, they have been upheld - in spite of a lynch mob demanding his head.
And while I agree with your general sentiment about the double standard of leftists and Democrats in this (cheering looting, arson and ambushes on the police etc.), the circumstances are unclear to varying degrees in different cases - and this case right here happens to fall on the very 'unambiguous' end of the spectrum. Chauvin still deserves a proper trial in which his version of the story will be heard and evidence by his lawyers can be presented, but the footage we have of the incident is such an overwhelming piece of evidence that it would be silly to deny that he is guilty.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 5 2020 05:20am)
I just want to go back a couple days of narrative and put something into perspective
Here was the family lawyer announcing the results of their "independent" autopsy:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/independent-autopsy-george-floyd-findings-announced/story?id=70994827

the very first words in that video he says are "Mister Floyd had no underlying medical problem that caused or contributed to his death. This is confirmed by information provided to Dr. Wilson and myself from the family. He was in good health".

meanwhile actual autopsy report was severe hypertension, severe heart disease, 75% blocked left coronal artery, 90% blocked right coronal artery, sickle cell anemia, severe left ventricular hypertrophy, abnormally large heart and 75% blockage in other arteries. And the poly-substance abuse of which the fentanyl alone could be deadly. And Covid-19. A


More reasons not to use illegal choke holds that have killed so many people.

This just makes their case worse really.

The cause of death is police officer on neck with no comorbidities Goom. None of those things listed were the cause of death. You just demonstrsted by disabled this man really was and if he was that ill there is no way there needed to be four cops in him in his weakenee state.


Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 5 2020 07:03am)
You're describing one possible mechanism, and I dont disagree with it. What I disagree with is your notion that this particular mechanism is what has created the big majority of deprived black communities.

Regarding the bolded part: on quite literally any type of violent crime, blacks are vastly overrepresented (on a per capita basis) compared to whites and even latinos or asians. Drug use and dealing is perhaps the only type of crime where you can find (poor) white communities which are as bad black ones.




Like thor already said, this cop will get a proper trial at a proper court. His due process rights have not been violated, they have been upheld - in spite of a lynch mob demanding his head.
And while I agree with your general sentiment about the double standard of leftists and Democrats in this (cheering looting, arson and ambushes on the police etc.), the circumstances are unclear to varying degrees in different cases - and this case right here happens to fall on the very 'unambiguous' end of the spectrum. Chauvin still deserves a proper trial in which his version of the story will be heard and evidence by his lawyers can be presented, but the footage we have of the incident is such an overwhelming piece of evidence that it would be silly to deny that he is guilty.


Poor black communities and poor white communities are the exact same places. Poor people live together.

Lol. It isn't germany where you have the poor russians in their own shitty neighborhood and poor turks segregated over here. Apparently Schweinfurt had a large Kurdish population but i never seen them in the city and assumed they were safely in their enclave.

We aren't like that here. We just have large urban ghettos that can be rather diverse with whites underrepresented.

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More reasons not to use illegal choke holds that have killed so many people.

This just makes their case worse really.

The cause of death is police officer on neck with no comorbidities Goom. None of those things listed were the cause of death. You just demonstrsted by disabled this man really was and if he was that ill there is no way there needed to be four cops in him in his weakenee state.


Those were all contributing causes of death. There's no physical evidence supporting neck compression or injury as a cause.
This "disabled" and "weakened" man was 6'4" and 223 lbs and worked as a bouncer.
He is hardly the first large black man to have chronic heart conditions that lead to premature death by heart attack. If you want to talk about comorbidities, no shortage.
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Jun 5 2020 05:34am
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Poor black communities and poor white communities are the exact same places. Poor people live together.

Lol. It isn't germany where you have the poor russians in their own shitty neighborhood and poor turks segregated over here. Apparently Schweinfurt had a large Kurdish population but i never seen them in the city and assumed they were safely in their enclave.

We aren't like that here. We just have large urban ghettos that can be rather diverse with whites underrepresented.


Meh, "underrepresented" is really quite the euphemism for the share of whites in places like Harlem or the Bronx, or for the share of blacks in rural Ohio trailer parks.

And no, German cities are not that segregated. In fact, our cities are less segregated than most American cities. Those Russian resettlers have mostly integrated to the point where you dont even notice them anymore in the streets. Turks and Kurds are more of a mixed bag, with about half of them being well-integrated and the other half intentionally keeping a distance from the rest of society and staying in their own social and geographical enclaves.

And just for the record: I'm living in one of the largest German cities which has a foreigner share of over 27%, and over 40% of the population either being foreigners or having a migration background. I know what diversity looks like in my country/city because I experience it every day as soon as I'm stepping outside.
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