Quote (excellence @ Feb 13 2020 04:44pm)

Nordic states are considered socialist and the state owns production of the most important resources.
same with Venezuela

'workers' can work for the state

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Quote (cambovenzi @ 13 Feb 2020 05:35)

Yes I used different words to briefly describe the list of claims than what the smear site used.
How dare I not use the language you want when describing something.
You are a whiny bitch and think I should have described the book in a more negative light. Ok? Does that mean i am defending white supremacy? No.

That is not support for white supremacy.

My stated intention from the start was to point out that the SPLC is not a reputable site, and to hone in on actual credible allegations and arguments by explicitly asking you to point out any you thought were particularly damning.

You instead chose to go on an idiotic tirade accusing me of supporting white nationalism and being an apologist for white supremacy and are now clinging to it months later.

I am not a white supremacist or fascist, idiot. I openly and consistently condemn fascism, communism and all forms of government aggression and evil.
Meanwhile you shill for big government and socialism and seek to undermine the rights and liberties of Americans from abroad.

Deep down you know I am not, but you are trying to smear me as one anyways because you are a garbage person and don't have the intellect and knowledge to challenge me on the issues and actual arguments.

Quote (ThatAlex @ Feb 13 2020 12:44am)

There is no private ownership in communism. Everything is communally owned. This is the key difference.

The real question is how much we want government or a state entity to control aspects of production, distribution and exchange of goods and services.

Right now, the majority of our society thinks that services such as K-12 public education and medical care for the elderly and disabled (Medicare), for instance, are reasonable amounts of government intervention in the production, distribution and exchange of goods and services.

Discussions about whether Sanders is a communist or not are often unproductive. Sanders is proposing we move the needle further toward more government ownership/intervention in some areas such as health care and education. This should be the focus of discussion imo.

Quote (fender @ Feb 13 2020 12:52am)

'garbage person' says the idiot who keeps defending white supremacy scum.

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'blatantly and repeatedly playing down the promotion of white genocide propaganda, and racist policies'.

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the fact that you STILL haven't acknowledged that stephen miller is a white supremacist, who quite obviously holds some extremely bigoted views, and is behind some of the most egregiously racist policies of the trump administration, completely destroys your token pearl clutching and disclaimers.

Quote (Plaguefear @ 13 Feb 2020 00:48)

They also outright deny that they are socialist..
Dumb americans calling everything socialism does not mean it is socialism.
Words have definitions, what is being described is not socialism, it shares some aspects but so does capitalism.

Quote (excellence @ Feb 13 2020 05:23pm)

>socializing resources isn’t socialism because someone said so

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

government is meant to represent “the community as a whole” lmao

stuck to glugging oil for money and then blaming the rich for “the worlds problems”

Quote (white supremacy apologist @ 13 Feb 2020 07:09)

Is that what i'm doing?
do you think that is an intelligent response to what I said?

Questioning whether the smears against someone are legitimate or not is not defending white supremacy.

But of course you are the type of person that would get mad and smear others for intellectual honesty and rigor.
How dare anyone question you or your SPLC links. WHITE SUPREMACISTS!!

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He recommended a popular anti-mass immigration book.
You can stick all the labels on it you want and you are free to think that is a major and damning act, but people who don't necessarily agree with you and don't choose the same language aren't defending 'white supremacy'.
Being against mass immigration is a valid position for someone to advocate with many reasons behind it, regardless of our own stances on immigration.
Calling everyone who is against mass immigration a racist white supremacist isnt going to make them or the reasons for their concerns go away.

Somehow I doubt Miller is behind affirmative action and minimum wage laws :)

'You dont agree with me and my smear site therefore you are white supremacist too!!!'

Disagreement with an idiot =/= white supremacy
Thought i'd spell that one out for you more clearly.



I am entirely open to the possibility that Miller has some terrible views and could be a white supremacist or white nationalist.
Many of the claims in the disgraced SPLC article were downright laughable and are not real or compelling proof.
This isn't very difficult to understand.

Not jumping to agree with your smears isn't somehow proof that I am a white supremacist, idiot.

Quote (cambovenzi @ 13 Feb 2020 01:40)

Quote (Plaguefear @ Feb 13 2020 12:48am)

They also outright deny that they are socialist..
Dumb americans calling everything socialism does not mean it is socialism.
Words have definitions, what is being described is not socialism, it shares some aspects but so does capitalism.

Quote (excellence @ Feb 13 2020 01:23am)

>socializing resources isn’t socialism because someone said so

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

government is meant to represent “the community as a whole” lmao

stuck to glugging oil for money and then blaming the rich for “the worlds problems”