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May 1 2019 08:44am
Quote (Bazi @ Apr 30 2019 09:13pm)
I watched his Shapiro interview, there were some nice talking points. he states he selected the $1k number because that was a number that could provide relief but simultaneously not be a replacement for work.


I think off camera/record Yang would admit something like 500$/month is a more reasonable ask from congress. 1000$ is like seeing something sold for $19.99, it's more about the sound of it than the accumulated costs underneath.

and other UBI writers have talked about how it should start with the communities it aims to help best. Truck drivers, out of work coal miners, perpetually destitute, etc. then slowly transition to the entire country. Yang just knows he can get the most support by offering it to everyone immediately, even if he knows off the record the congress won't let that happen per say.
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Quote (thesnipa @ May 1 2019 09:44am)
I think off camera/record Yang would admit something like 500$/month is a more reasonable ask from congress. 1000$ is like seeing something sold for $19.99, it's more about the sound of it than the accumulated costs underneath.

and other UBI writers have talked about how it should start with the communities it aims to help best. Truck drivers, out of work coal miners, perpetually destitute, etc. then slowly transition to the entire country. Yang just knows he can get the most support by offering it to everyone immediately, even if he knows off the record the congress won't let that happen per say.



ya I pretty much agree with everything you said

Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 1 2019 12:38am)
But the thing is, it would still cost the state $330bn per month, or almost $4 trillion per year. There's no way to finance this without either raising taxes or cutting entitlements and benefits elsewhere or massively reducing the pool of eligible persons. Or paying for it with debt, which would cause inflation and in the end lead to a massive redistribution from those with cash savings and those relying mostly on work incomes; to the benefit of those with low incomes and those with high asset fortunes. That is, paying for it with debt would equal a massive bleeding of the middle class to the benefit of the poor and the rich.


where is the 4 trillion value from? he states u can't get specific entitlements like welfare/disability and simultaneously receive the UBI
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gunna be spending my $1k on fg and will send 1 fg at a time to Jupe@jsp in my spare time


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May 1 2019 12:25pm
Everyobody Yang Chung tonight
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May 1 2019 07:19pm
Tend to agree with this guy

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I am never going to retire. Oh, sure, I say that now, but what about when I am 80? No. I will never stop working.

Every morning, I get out of bed when the alarm goes off, take a shower, put on dress clothes (a suit, usually), and drive 35 minutes to work in an office that I rent in an office building.

I write newsletters. I can just as easily do that on the couch, in a pair of gym shorts, with a cup of coffee. Why spend over an hour a day commuting and dealing with all the brain damage of putting on a suit and going to work?

Because I like work! In short, if it doesn’t feel like a job, then it’s not a job.

The reality is that I am the furthest thing from a working stiff. I travel plenty; I make my own schedule. But unless I feel like a working stiff, it doesn’t feel like I am working, or being productive.

Work is good.

The absurdity of universal basic income
If you go back to the 1970s sci-fi flicks (like “Logan’s Run”), in the future, nobody has to work.

That’s one prediction that never came true. This is the future, and here we are, still working. Maybe a little less, but not much.

We have more time-saving inventions, but we mostly use the extra time to work more.

Democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang says we should all get $1,000 a month so that work can be optional. As the universal basic income (UBI) people like to say, that will free us up to pursue our dreams.

That is a terrible idea. People are very, very bad with unstructured free time. And human nature being what it is, people don’t pursue their dreams without a little bit of motivation.

One form of motivation might be not knowing where your next meal is coming from. In a society that is capable of producing so much wealth, that seems downright undignified.

Idleness ruins people
Idleness is so bad for individuals (and society as a whole) that top-down command-and-control make-work programs would be preferable to basic income. That’s how much I believe in the benefits of work.

And according to Tyler Cowen: “Earning and spending money is fun, and many jobs are more rewarding, more social and safer than they used to be. Even with much higher living standards now than in the immediate post-war era, Americans still basically want to stay on the job.”

Spend some time at home playing video games, and within a few months, you will be utterly convinced of the meaninglessness and pointlessness of life. Multiply that by 100 million people, and you have a big problem.

It’s why we care about unemployment so much. Again, according to Cowen, involuntary unemployment is one of the most traumatic things that someone can experience — even worse than divorce.

It has debilitating psychological effects. Getting people back to work after a recession is a top priority. Of course, lengthening unemployment benefits has the exact opposite effect, but not a lot of people in D.C. know much about economics.

I will never retire
To my earlier point, I am not a big fan of retirement.

I have seen some bad retirements. Situations where people didn’t really have a plan, and ended up spending a lot of time at home with cable news on at top volume.

Even when there is a plan, can you realistically chase a white ball around for 10 hours a day? Or travel every day? Or go out with friends for three meals a day? Even if you had the financial resources to do that, would you want to?

Unstructured free time isn’t just bad for 20-somethings; it’s also bad for 70-somethings.

We have all heard stories of someone who had a tremendous career with lots of responsibility, then they retire and they’re dead within a few years. If you don’t have a purpose, there aren’t just psychological effects, there are physical effects, too.

One of the reasons I am not too concerned about Social Security “being there” for me when I retire is because I am not going to retire!

For sure, I expect my business to be smaller and my responsibilities to be reduced, but I will never, ever stop working.


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/universal-basic-income-in-the-us-would-be-bad-for-your-mental-health-2019-05-01?mod=opinion
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May 1 2019 07:21pm
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He isn't right, of course. He makes solid points that are true for many people but not humanity as a whole.
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May 1 2019 07:30pm
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a guy likes his job and enjoys how he lives his life

cool story bro

People do need purpose and drive and balance and some struggle

not everyone has his life or the options or the comfort he has
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Quote (ChrisKz @ May 1 2019 06:21pm)
He isn't right, of course. He makes solid points that are true for many people but not humanity as a whole.


Work is necessary for psychological health. Not sure what work will look like in 50-100 years but speaking from personal experience not working at all is depressing. You tend to lose the value and joy of not working if you're just lounging around.
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Work is necessary for psychological health. Not sure what work will look like in 50-100 years but speaking from personal experience not working at all is depressing. You tend to lose the value and joy of not working if you're just lounging around.


Work is subjective.
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