Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 5 2020 12:09am)

What does that have to do with my statement?

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jun 5 2020 03:08am)

There was a reason I told you to watch the video again, with the sound on.

Go watch it, then you tell us. There's no shame in admitting when you're wrong.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jun 5 2020 03:13am)

It feels like Ghot is reacting like a person with his back to a wall.

An officer is only authorized to use necessary restraint. An unconscious person is restrained without a finger being laid upon. You can cuff them and toss them into a vehicle without struggle.

The delineation that "He might not have been dead before Chauvin got off his neck" is meaningless. He continued kneeling on his neck AFTER he verified Floyd was unconscious. That's intent to harm, clear and video-evidenced.

Ghot, come back bro. I don't know what has caused you to go so far towards trying to excuse inexcusable actions, but I know you're a principled person. Forget the argument or who you're arguing with. Just focus on your personal principles. WHY are you defending defenseless actions?

Quote (Ghot @ Jun 5 2020 12:14am)

And I win the gold star for predicting (to myself) that you would say that. Between when it was posted and now... I can't watch it. It requires a facebook log in, which I don't have.

Either I saw a different video since the OP or facebook is up to shenanigans. Either way, why don't you provide a link for one that doesn't require a facebook acct. :)

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jun 5 2020 03:17am)

So you want me to post clips and/or edited content, rather than the original video? I'm confused. Why don't you simply make a sham facebook account and watch the unedited live stream?

Is there some requirement to creating a facebook account that's different than it used to be? I fail to understand how this is a valid excuse. FFS, if you need to, create an account, watch the video, then delete the account (yes, that's possible!).

That's a poor excuse to refuse to watch the evidence. Poor indeed.

Quote (Ghot @ Jun 5 2020 12:14am)

And I win the gold star for predicting (to myself) that you would say that. Between when it was posted and now... I can't watch it. It requires a facebook log in, which I don't have.

Either I saw a different video since the OP or facebook is up to shenanigans. Either way, why don't you provide a link for one that doesn't require a facebook acct. :)

Quote (Ghot @ Jun 5 2020 12:14am)

Where did I excuse anyone's actions?

Quote (Ghot @ Jun 5 2020 12:05am)

ME, I couldn't tell "beyond the shadow of a doubt" when he went from being unconscious to being dead. You must have special "banks of medical equipment" eyes.

Quote (Ghot @ Jun 5 2020 12:18am)

Probably, cause only idiots make facebook accts. ^^

/e And no I'm not asking for edited... just a copy without an acct./wall. Take your time, I'll wait.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jun 5 2020 03:20am)

So you want me to post clips and/or edited content, rather than the original video? I'm confused. Why don't you simply make a sham facebook account and watch the unedited live stream?

Is there some requirement to creating a facebook account that's different than it used to be? I fail to understand how this is a valid excuse. FFS, if you need to, create an account, watch the video, then delete the account (yes, that's possible!).

That's a poor excuse to refuse to watch the evidence. Poor indeed.





You don't have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was "restraining him by the neck until he was dead" to prove criminal activity. It seems you want us to prove an attempted lynching or nothing at all. What's wrong with you today?

I seriously want to know the goal in your posts? Is it to argue, or do you have a point? If you have a point, can you concisely state it?

Edit: I fail at editing. FML.



I do not make and distribute unlicensed copies of other people's intellectual property. Nor do I have any intent to use any platform I ever intend to use again to post a murder video.

You have no idea what you're even asking for.


Grandfinal Edit: I was intending to edit my prior post. I just suck at this whole "doing stuff" thing. So if this seems a tad redundant to start, yes I'm at fault, but no, not intentionally. :/

Quote (Ghot @ Jun 5 2020 12:27am)

Well, I'll respond to the middle, since the rest is BS.

The officer is charged with murder, last I heard. And that's what the prosecution has to prove.
Anything less, is just the "mob" working up to a lynching.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jun 5 2020 03:37am)

It's all relevant.

1. You refuse to watch the video and give petty excuses why you can't. FB is free, you can put in bs information to make an account. If you've not seen the original video, that's by choice.
2. There are different levels of murder. "Lynching" still receives capital punishment in half the states. And while MN is not one of those states, the federal government CAN still sentence to death. And this would be a reason why. So pretending we have to prove a literal lynching, aka a federal death penalty crime, or there's no wrong doing? Again, what the literal fuck?
3. You've failed to show a case. You've failed to show bullshit. I failed to edit, you failed to make sense. Just stop. Or bring something to the table that's relevant, and not attempting to excuse the criminal actions of dirty cops.

Thanks.

BTW, since you still seem to condemn the criminal acts of rioters, please talk about that instead. At least I can not argue with you about those. :)

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Say it's 1958. White girl gets pregnant and for w/e reason accuses black guy of rape. Whole town comes out and hangs black kid. We KNOW that's not right.

Today, with G. Floyd we have a similar situation. Whether the police officer is guilty or not... isn't this pretty much just like the mob rule in the 1958 example.
Even IF, the police officer gets adequate representation, and a some what fair judge... is there really any chance for a... truly fair trial. Minneapolis in toto, has already convicted this police officer.
Hell, half the country has already convicted him.

Can this police officer get an even remotely fair trial...in the US at this time?

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My coolest night of comedy was when Chappelle dropped by @ComedyAtTheKnit when @MrWillMiles @theeclarkjones & I were still hosting. We were in the back room & he was in town supporting Kevin Hart hosting SNL. I texted @joyellenicole like “any chance Dave wants to go up?” THREAD

We start the show thinking he MIGHT come. A couple comics in, he sneaks in like a boxer with his hood up. We’re in the green room smoking, drinking & joking. The dude is a machine. Every topic that came up, he had something profound for. We bring him up last, the crowd LOSES IT

He was asking the crowd for headlines to riff on. They toss one out, he riffs a joke. Every topic, he immediately had a perfect joke for. Now, this was days after the cop that choked Eric Garner to death in Staten Island (you know, murder) was not indicted by a grand jury.

Protests etc were all over the city. Tensions were high. About 15-20 min min to his set he asks for another topic & someone shouts “police brutality!” He pauses then says “you really wanna do this? Ok.” He chugs his Tecate and sets it down. Our crowd was always beautifully mixed.

The show was started by @hannibalburess, so it’s always had a black base, but it’s in Williamsburg so there were always hipsters of all persuasions and, amazingly, people from all over the world. We always had global tourists which I thought was incredible for a free bar show

So Chappelle starts talking about Eric Garner and wathching him get murdered in cold blood on camera and how it makes him scared for his children. I remember he said “I thought body cams would help, but what good is video evidence if y’all don’t care?”

A clearly privileged white girl (she had a wide brimmed felt hat for chrissakes) shouts “Life’s hard, sorry ‘bout it!” and it takes the air completely out of the room. A collective gasp. Chappelle zeros in on her. “What did you say?” She repeats it. Chappelle starts going in.

He starts educating the crowd on the history of black people and the police. He talked about slave patrols and Rodney King and Watts and Emmett Till and Black Wall Street. He talked about Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, and he talked about John Crawford III

If you don’t remember John Crawford III, google it. It happened right around the time of some higher profile killings, but it’s as awful as anything you’ll see. He was on the phone in Walmart and picked up a BB gun (that was for sale in said Walmart) and was just looking at it

Some scared cracker-ass called the cops, and this officer comes in, doesn’t even bother saying “drop the weapon” or “hands up” and just guns him down. The security footage makes it plain as day. The footage will make you sick. Disgusting and outrageous in every conceivable way.

Chappelle then tells a story about getting pulled over in rural Ohio where he lives. This is before the Crawford shooting but after Ferguson so racial tension is bubbling. He said “I may be white on paper, but I’m still black. So I’m nervous”

He says “the cop approaches and he can tell I’m nervous. I have both my hands on the wheel and I say ‘officer my license and registration is in the glove box. I’m going to reach for them now. I’m promise not armed’ I could tell the officer was offended that I was nervous. He said

I know who you are Dave Chappelle’ & I said ‘so why do you need my license and registration?’” He gets off w/ a warning. The twist? The same cop would go on to murder John Crawford III. His take away: “I shouldn’t have to be Dave Chappelle to survive police encounters”

He goes on to explain that one of his best friends is South African. He said “I asked him what it was like in South Africa right before apartheid ended and he said it was chaos in the streets. There were riots & car bombs etc, but the amount of people caring hit critical mass...

...and there was nothing they could do to stop it. The people had momentum and apartheid ended. Critical mass. That’s what we have to hit. Once enough of you care, there will be nothing they can do to stop the change”

It was incredibly powerful. The crowd was somber and silent

After the show, we’re in the green room. @joyellenicole comes back and says “that dumbass white girl wanted to talk to you, but I told her you were busy” and he goes “no, bring her back” so Joyelle leaves and comes back with wide-brim hat girl and her friend.

Hat girl is humiliated and her friend even more so. Hat girl speaks first: “I just wanted to say I’m sorry for what I said and thank you for educating me. I was ignorant before, but I want you to know I learned from you tonight and I won’t say things like that anymore”

Chappelle responds “you’re ok. That’s all we can ask. Know better, do better. I want to thank YOU for hearing me and listening. That’s your role. And now you know. Now you’re part of that critical mass we talked about and next time you hear a friend say some ignorant shit like...

...you said, it’s your job to correct them and share with them what you learned tonight. THEN, you’re no longer part of the problem, you’re part of the solution.” She starts crying and he pulls her in for hug “it’s ok. You’re part of the solution now. Do you want a picture?”

She says “really?” And he says “of course! Friend get over here for a picture” the friend approaches, they take photos, he hugs them both and reiterates that it’s ok and just to be part of the solution and sends them on their way. CLASS. I couldn’t believe what I witnessed

He changed everyone in that room that night. 200+ people became part of the solution if they weren’t already. Even a privileged girl in a privileged hat with a privileged mindset. Point is, it doesn’t matter what you thought before. You can always change

And you can always become a part of the critical mass trying to push this shit forward. All you have to do is care and allow that care to become education and action.

Quote (balrog66 @ Jun 5 2020 03:55am)

Pretty great Twitter thread on one of Dave Chappelle's experiences: