Andrew Jackson, Bill Clinton, and now Donald Trump.

Weaponized checks and balances then and weaponized checks and balances now.

It is true in democracy you tend to get the government you deserve.

All the people who said ""he wasn't impeached for a blow job", this is what your tactic has become, and since weaponizing checks and balances worked well on Clinton, is working with Trump, expect to see more.

"He wasn't impeached for getting a blowjob he was impeached for lying about a blow job during a public comgressional tribunal regarding a man's personal sex life" you say with no sense of irony or embarrassment.

The Right went full Alinsky successfully with the Tea Party and Trump, and the Left is going full Gingrich with this Benghazi-gate style impeachment.

At least the Dems can't be criticized by anyone calling themselves a Republican for this without that Republican being a massive hypocrite. This is their playbook.

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 14 2019 08:14am

Believe it or not, but a president getting a blowjob from his intern and shoving various objects into her vagina inside the oval office used to be a gross violation of norms not that long ago.

Withholding military aid pending an investigation of a domestic political rival is right now.

We appreciate your brave stands against blowjobs. That wouldn't be a problem in Germany at that time. It was an affair. Helmut Kohl was your leader at that time and he had several public affairs and failed marriages, no impeachment or political punishments.

Your charges of a guy being bad for having an affair at work is coming with a lack of credibility as well due to your support of a guy having the exact same job who has had many publicly failed marriages, an ex wife who testified under oath that he raped her, a porn star that your candidate didn't deny paying for sex while married, etc. So pardon me while I consider your criticism and disdain fake as fuck and you somewhat hypocritical.

Maybe the Dems should impeach him for Stormy Daniel's? That would be a GOP play. Let's just impeach any president as part of the campaign.

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 14 2019 09:06am

it was just 'sex' it didn't mean anything. it all depends on what is, is.

This post was edited by excellence on Dec 14 2019 09:20am

I was too young at the time to follow American politics, but I would never have supported impeachment over a blowjob. A congressional investigation, however, was well justified. That Clinton then lied under oath during this investigation is his own failure. Just like Trump has no one but himself to blame for having pursued his pressure on Ukraine in such a clumsy fashion.

Also, just for the record: I wouldnt have supported removing Clinton from office over the lying under oath either. This doesnt, however, change the fact that lying under oath is a much more severe form of misconduct than an affair, and that your repeated claim "he got impeached over a blowjob" is factually false.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 14 2019 10:25am

According to virtually every Trump supporter on the forum the "lied under oath" is a process crime that only originated from the investigation and is therefore bullshit.

I didn't agree with the impeachment but what Clinton did is objectively worse than what Trump did.

There was no power dynamic between stormy daniels. There wasn't even a cash transaction, it was basically a tinder hookup. Which is terrible for a marriage and speaks towards Trump's horrible character but its not within the gray area of illegal.

Sure, it was worse than Stormy Daniels, but definitely not worse than the Ukraine thing he's actually being impeached over.

Behavior which might or might not qualify as obstruction of justice is a far weaker process crime than unambiguous lying under oath.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 14 2019 11:47am

I mean, some of the "process crimes" that Trump supporters on the forum defended was lying under oath (not Trump himself, but Trump associates in the investigation).