No my logic implies that detonating a nuke would be such a huge event that the whole world would stand still and not look to antagonize but rather look to stop hostilities immediately and find some way to not see another one dropped. I can't even fathom what our world look after that. At that point it's not about winning or losing, the framing of the discussion would be completely different. If I'm an American, German, or French man, my immediate thought would be omfg we need to stop immediately not hey lets go send our armies to punish Russia for doing this. The latter logic whether you want to frame it as righteous indignation or whatever would be irrelevant. What would be most relevant to non-psychopaths is what do we do and how do we respond to not have a nuke dropped on Berlin or Paris or anywhere else. Because at the end of the day that's what people care about, and if a country is so unhinged and so threatened that they are starting to use nukes, then i'd rather be an adult and not antagonize the crazies but de-escalate.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Nov 16 2022 12:32pm

the logical answer is starve them. close all pipelines and put north korea level embargoes on all russian goods to the west. and deal with the consequences of that as they come.

But how do you get the country which just used a nuclear first strike to stop if you give them what they want and back off? How do you disincentivize this behavior if there is no punishment and the nuclear first strike effectively leads to them having free reign on the battlefield?

The only non-military solution that I see would be if the entire rest of the world comes together to slap total economic sanctions on them - but what do you do if the Chinese don't play along and take the bite out of the sanctions?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 16 2022 12:41pm

Calm down Sun Tzu, I apologize for questioning your military brilliance okay?

Lmao fkn moron

Could you be any more naïve?

If the world fails to forcefully react to nuclear provocation, it invites more nuclear provocation. The immediate thought isn't "hey, let's stop helping Ukraine defend itself," it's "we have to make sure they never try this shit again."

You're the one here who said retarded shit, and when you get called on saying retarded shit, call other people morons? Get the fuck outta here, your extra chromosome is showing.

Are you okay you seem emotional lmao

I have a low tolerance for stupidity. It's on display a lot these days.

You are going against the principles and foreign trait of your own culture and country.
Never US would accept Russia and indirectly the EAST block to own the place with 1 nuke.
Along with all EU countries that would engage more or less slowly.


On a country who agressed no one, lets not forget this.

How dare people disturb this venerable institution of reason and debate with stupidity!

I apologize profusely, please continue your reasonable discussion on the antinuclear properties of the Ukrainian army.