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Nov 15 2022 11:50pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 16 Nov 2022 05:32)
What you’re talking about again is not based on how real existential wars are fought. You cannot keep things tidy and set up some rules of what’s okay and what’s not and create a sandbox of how we’re going to play this out.

... which is why NATO has tried to stay clear of this war, at least when it comes to direct involvement. But if Russia uses tactical nukes as an offensive weapon, that's a real game changer.

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If we went into Ukraine and started slaughtering Russians they wouldn’t just say okay we will only play by these rules in this sandbox. Let’s say they don’t use nukes. If I was a Russian decision maker I would cripple western satellites both military and civilian and cause widespread damage to NATO countries. I would bomb key ports like Rotterdam and at that point those types of responses would be appropriate if those countries are literally waging war on me. Idk why you think they would just sheepishly accept losing the war and their people when there’s still ample ways to retaliate.

Bombing Rotterdam would trigger article V and directly lead to war against NATO. Attacks on satellites are a bit of a grey zone in this regard.
But yes, I do think that it would make a difference if NATO is waging war against Russia's occupying forces in a foreign country like Ukraine, or if they were waging war against Russia on Russian territory.
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Nov 16 2022 12:50am
Quote (Palasan @ Nov 16 2022 07:39am)
You can't take anything seriously because you are peddling bs non-stop, you are like dude who overdosed on amphetamines, 6,000 different thoughts 0 coherency.


Learn about circle army movement. You form pocket around nuclear zone and to circle, then you win with superior morale.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 16 2022 02:31am)
Why would the entire frontline collapse? Ukraine's troops would just retreat some 50-100km to form apocket around the irradiation zone. And since Russia couldn't move through this zone without irradiating its own troops, they wouldn't gain much of anything from it.


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Learn about circle army movement. You form pocket around nuclear zone and to circle, then you win with superior morale.


We've already been over this point. You assume, without evidence, that any use of tactical nukes at any point of the front would cause the entire frontline to immediately collapse because the defender's soldiers would run away in panic, even in places hundreds of kilometers away - but that the soldiers of the aggressor would happily march forward, knowing full well that their superiors will not hesitate to nuke them too as soon as they encounter resistance and their progress stalls.
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Nov 16 2022 07:58am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_missile_system

According to Russia, the Russian strike closest to the Polish border fell 35 kilometers from this point which marks the entry into NATO territories.
The S 300 has a range of ~50km


In a press conference given Wednesday noon, the Polish President, Andrzej Duda, considered it "highly probable" that the missile was used by the Ukrainian defense. "There is no indication that this was an intentional attack on Poland," he said. It is "probably an unfortunate accident, alas".

=> Really disgusted to see pro-putin war crimes supporters to claim it was a provocation / false flag attack from Ukraine.
These missiles have serial numers and various recognition signs, above all the maximum range make it very clear it was Ukranian.
This was an "accident without lies"

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 16 2022 06:56am)
We've already been over this point. You assume, without evidence, that any use of tactical nukes at any point of the front would cause the entire frontline to immediately collapse because the defender's soldiers would run away in panic, even in places hundreds of kilometers away - but that the soldiers of the aggressor would happily march forward, knowing full well that their superiors will not hesitate to nuke them too as soon as they encounter resistance and their progress stalls.


For the motherland, and for household electrical goods. Every good soldier will march into nuclear wasteland.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 16 2022 12:50am)
... which is why NATO has tried to stay clear of this war, at least when it comes to direct involvement. But if Russia uses tactical nukes as an offensive weapon, that's a real game changer.


Bombing Rotterdam would trigger article V and directly lead to war against NATO. Attacks on satellites are a bit of a grey zone in this regard.
But yes, I do think that it would make a difference if NATO is waging war against Russia's occupying forces in a foreign country like Ukraine, or if they were waging war against Russia on Russian territory.


If a country used a nuke in a war, the rational and logical next step is to de-escalate not send in the troops to effectively declare war on that country. You logic is completely inverse. If they used a nuke in Ukraine, what makes you think they wouldn't use a nuke again, against the countries killing their troops and going in with boots on the ground? I mean at that point, hypothetically the already used one, you'd willing to bet they wouldn't use another one?

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Quote (Meanwhile @ Nov 16 2022 02:58pm)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_missile_system

According to Russia, the Russian strike closest to the Polish border fell 35 kilometers from this point which marks the entry into NATO territories.
The S 300 has a range of ~50km


In a press conference given Wednesday noon, the Polish President, Andrzej Duda, considered it "highly probable" that the missile was used by the Ukrainian defense. "There is no indication that this was an intentional attack on Poland," he said. It is "probably an unfortunate accident, alas".

=> Really disgusted to see pro-putin war crimes supporters to claim it was a provocation / false flag attack from Ukraine.
These missiles have serial numers and various recognition signs, above all the maximum range make it very clear it was Ukranian.
This was an "accident without lies"


You know what is disgusting? => Ukraine targeting a Polish village and Zelensky immediately calling for WW3

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Quote (Djunior @ 16 Nov 2022 15:12)
You know what is disgusting? => Ukraine targeting a Polish village and Zelensky immediately calling for WW3


Sounds like your war crime / putin supporter is completely -ignoring- that more than 100 missiles were fired to Ukraine this day. Up to 35 km close to Polish borders.

Ignorance is bliss.


FUCKING LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL







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Quote (Meanwhile @ Nov 16 2022 03:17pm)
Sounds like your war crime / putin supporter is completely -ignoring- that more than 100 missiles were fired to Ukraine this day. Up to 35 km close to Polish borders.

Ignorance is bliss.


FUCKING LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

https://i.gyazo.com/dd52edbb948dcc3ad366f93f6d3a524c.png





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sick in za head fool 😂 think Ukraine attack Poland and is not cover up to not start ww3

This post was edited by Zooj on Nov 16 2022 08:28am
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Quote (Zooj @ 16 Nov 2022 15:28)
sick in za head fool 😂 think Ukraine attack Poland and is not cover up to not start ww3


Ukraine captured alot of really made in soviet weapons, if they were really wanting to make a false flag it would be something really different that what happened.
They would have use a longer range missile ground-ground or air-ground, fired from far away, close from Russia's or Belarus borders.
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