If nato was risk averse they wouldn’t have expanded onto Russias doorstep and wouldn’t be funneling tens of billions in weapons to wage a war against a nuclear power, wishing for no prospect for peace unless it’s an obvious optical defeat of Russia. NATO troops destroying Russian troops would be a de facto declaration of war by NATO on Russia. It’s weird framing to think that if we kill them on Ukrainian soil that somehow is allowed, would them retaliating then be allowed? Or if they are launching missiles from Russian bases In Russia are we allowed to bomb those? You think they’d idly sit by and not target whoever is targeting them? Would it then be acceptable to target military basis in Poland, Germany, wherever else?

Like there are natural consequences to what you’re talking about which you have to flesh out.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Nov 15 2022 10:07pm

Whatever you say, you Aztec you.

Aztecs are most likely descendants of mongoloids that crossed into americas(through asian&american land bridge 13000 years ago), but whatever.

Go study boy.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 15 2022 10:05pm

There is a huge difference between NATO entering the war in Ukraine and NATO going into Russia. The latter would be insanity and of course trigger nuclear retaliation. The former would most definitely not. Even Russia's own nuclear doctrine quite clearly states that the use of nukes is only allowed if their military is facing defeat on its own territory.

Aztecs came from the land of Belarus, they were first to cultivate potatoes, they also invented a tractor as we know. Then they returned to the land of origin, disappointed in America.

Just like most likely your ancestor mongoloid who migrated into Europe or wherever instead. Still related, thus you are an Aztec. I as proud descendent of an ancestor related at one point to ancestor of Aztec people give you permission to use sun-watch from now.

Ukraine hasn't joined NATO yet. Back in 2008, NATO rejected Ukraine's application for membership, mostly due to resistance from France and Germany who wanted to prevent mounting tensions and the outbreak of war. A couple of years later, war broke out anyway, during a dispute over Ukrainian EU (not NATO!) membership.



With conventional means, on Ukrainian soil: sure. They obviously wouldn't stand a chance in this scenario. If even just Poland sent its army to fight alongside their brethren, that would be enough to tip the scales decisively in Ukraine's favor.
Also note that Russia's nuclear doctrine only covers attacks on Russia, but not Russian soldiers operating abroad.


We would be well advised to not target those bases in Russia. Wouldn't be necessary anyway; Russia cannot keep Ukrainian territory occupied without boots on the ground. Russia would of course be free to attack NATO troops in Ukraine too.

Honestly i cant take you seriously, there isn't any danger of russian nuclear weapons. Most are outdated and probably dont even work.

Also europe/nato has best AD in the world, even better than isreals iron-dome. They would shit on those missiles before they came close to landing.

Im done with this dicussion, someone who doesn't even understand a simple concept like circle army movement.. Why waste my time really

What you’re talking about again is not based on how real existential wars are fought. You cannot keep things tidy and set up some rules of what’s okay and what’s not and create a sandbox of how we’re going to play this out.

If we went into Ukraine and started slaughtering Russians they wouldn’t just say okay we will only play by these rules in this sandbox. Let’s say they don’t use nukes. If I was a Russian decision maker I would cripple western satellites both military and civilian and cause widespread damage to NATO countries. I would bomb key ports like Rotterdam and at that point those types of responses would be appropriate if those countries are literally waging war on me. Idk why you think they would just sheepishly accept losing the war and their people when there’s still ample ways to retaliate.

You can't take anything seriously because you are peddling bs non-stop, you are like dude who overdosed on amphetamines, 6,000 different thoughts 0 coherency.