Their only options were between surrender or having more of their cities nuked. There was no one stopping the US from doing it again and again, until Japan gives in.
Russia would (presumably) have NATO all over their ass as soon as they used a nuclear first strike. (And become extremely isolated on the world stage.)

You make that point as if Ukraine or honestly any other country today has a counter to nukes. Japan, and island was actually in a better shape to defend than currently Ukraine with a literal ocean acting as a natural barrier.

The bold to me is so ridiculous that I don't even know how a rational person grounded in reality can think this. What would NATO or US or Germany or whomever do to intervene at that point? Declare war on Russia, nuke Russia? You understand that there is no scenario in which Russia is destroyed and western countries that destroyed it remain in tact. We do not have the means to stop their Sarmat, we do not have the means to track and destroy all of the nuclear armed submarines that are armed with dozens of nukes. Any intervention you might think of would mean that you are putting that target on yourself now.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Nov 15 2022 07:53pm

Lol @ wishful thinking that Russia has some modern top conventional weaponry stashed away it can use and end the war right away, little bud Putin withdrew from Kherson due to numerous mutinies/protests already taking place within ranks of Russian military unable supply that front any longer.
Putins objective is to keep hold on power, not get a military coup/revolution. We are not in 17th century where you can just mobilize 50% of population and send them to campaigns your soldiers don't see point of, even then it usually led to leader being overthrown by the elites and disgruntled army. Look how world war 1 played out for Russian Empire and what it led to.

So back to reality. I posted about this a few days ago and think it's a pretty big deal that shows how our western influence has really taken a step back worldwide. Algeria, worlds 5th largest gas producer and Africa's largest wants in on BRICS. Not only that but their president is going to Russia to talk about it and announce a "new strategic document" whatever that might mean. So seems like take was actually right. My guess is he's going to Russia so they can discuss potential ways to basically form a gas supply monopoly. This seems like really bad news for Europe.





https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/algeria:-tebbounes-visit-to-moscow-to-mark-start-of-new-stag

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Nov 15 2022 08:16pm

I don't quite understand what you are suggesting. Are you suggesting that the concept of the United Nations is non existent.

I'm shocked we don't agree on this, and I never mentioned anything about some secret modern weapons lol

Vladimir Putin Stashes Billions In Central Africa In Preparation To Flee Moscow In Case Of Emergency 'Evacuation'


Russian President Vladimir Putin has stashed billions in the Central African Republic in preparation for an "evacuation" in the case of an "emergency situation" in Moscow due to overwhelming disapproval of the war in Ukraine

This is the latest move by the increasingly paranoid head of Russia, as the country faces bankruptcy in the wake of his deteriorating health.

Earlier this month, it was revealed that Putin would not attend the G20 Summit in Bali, Indonesia. While the Kremlin cited a busy schedule as the reason, sources alleged that he feared an assassination attempt as the true determining factor.

An estimated $14.8 billion in cash and gold were sent for safekeeping in Africa under the order of President Putin. The enormous amount of wealth is housed in "underground warehouses" through the oversight of Wagner, a private military company and key ally to Russia.

Wagner has assisted Russia in the invasion of Ukraine through the recruitment of tens of thousands of mercenaries and convicts to supply the front lines with desperately needed manpower.

Putin and the head of the Central Africa Republic met last Friday to discuss the transfer of assets.

Russia does not possess enough non-nuclear weapons to level country the size of Ukraine to the ground.

And secondly - Putin sold Russian people the idea that Ukrainians are being held captive by insane Nazi regime and Azov and he is coming there to liberate them. His propaganda machine is working in overdrive to cover up the mass graves being discovered all over the place where Russian occupation occurred from the eyes of Russian general public for a reason. They even went as far as claiming that streets of Bucha videos was a hoax and paid actors played the role of corpses scattered throughout the streets. Providing videos from some protest rally not even in the Ukraine as "proof"

Russia has burnt out conventionally, we have seen their conventional capability for all it is, yes they can send Ukraine into energy crisis by destroying its energy infrastructure but on the battlefield, they are still attacking head-first, the only professional army in 21st century to use this dumb casualty intensive tactic from 18-20th century.

Might as well line up their army in lines as Napoleon era armies did, hand out drums and march forward with muskets to their death at this point. Trench warfare doesn't work either in 21st century, Ukrainians are outmaneuvering them and annihilating their flanks/supply lines 24-7.

japan gave up because their soldiers had low morale, if they were emotionally as strong as the ukranians they would've kept going even if they were hit with 1900 tactical nuclear weapons.



Yes, atleast nato will send 500 tanks and 1000 artillery pieces. Maybe even article 5 and they start use heavy bombers and massive a-10 runs.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 15 2022 08:57pm

Yeah being on the receiving end of 2 nukes is very demoralizing.

This post was edited by Mondain on Nov 15 2022 08:57pm