Coroners don't rule anything murder. They don't make determinations of culpability. The ME ruled it homicide despite repeatedly stressing throughout the autopsy that there was zero physical evidence of homicide and never actually listed a single point supporting that homicide determination in all 20 pages of the report, which makes me assume he's bowing to the mob pressure too, but that's still not the same as calling it murder. An ME only declares whether he thinks human action played a role (homicide), not whether its a crime (murder)
the family coroner meanwhile is the same joker from epstein and the jfk assassinations and for all we know didn't examine the body at all. Might as well have hired a medium to channel George's spirit.

for real though, find a single point in this whole report that indicates homicide;
https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf
I find it a little harder to take Andrew Baker MD's unsubstantiated determination at face value knowing that if he said it wasn't homicide, they'd be torching his house right now

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jun 5 2020 12:34am

So you read all 20 pages and never realised that all of the factors that lead to his death are mitigated if the cops get off his back and call him an ambulance?

An ME is neither judge nor jury. It's literally the opposite of their job to describe something as murder. Homicide? Absolutely. That helps determine whether or not arrests should be made, and investigations should be investigated. Two coroners ruling the death as human-influenced (homicide), means Chauvin (and his fellow 3 officers) have a problem.

I don't see this as bowing to the mob. In fact, I see this as an absolute resistance to mob rule, and a willingness to suffer mob rage in not being more specific in condemning anyone.

That would be a great argument for "failure to render aid" under MN 604A.01 Subd 1
Which is not a crime, its a petty misdemeanor resulting in a fine of up to $300 and no jail/prison time.
It would also be a great argument for gross incompetence and conduct unbecoming of a peace officer that would be grounds for termination with cause.
Its not the standard for murder or even manslaughter.

I have no issue with arresting the officer(s).

There are only 4 things, we the public, know for sure...

1. The video(s)
2. Floyd was a repeat drug offender with repeat convictions. He has at minimum, one armed burglary conviction as well.
3. Floyd had advanced cardio vascular disease
4. The charge on Floyd was forgery.


Personally, I wouldn't have lasted 2 minutes with a knee on my neck. I HAVE already had one heart attack. My cardio vascular system wouldn't be able to deal with that. I also have COPD.
BUT, I'm also, still strong as an ox for short periods. Strong as I was 25 years ago. <--- This was just so you all might have some experience with how cardio vascular disease affects people.

/e In other words... I could still shatter someone's jaw with a good round house, but someone kneeling on my neck would probably kill me.

This post was edited by Ghot on Jun 5 2020 12:48am

That's a case. It's a poor case, but it's a case.

"There's a crowd of people recording us who see there's something wrong with this guy. They want to help, and we're actively preventing them from doing so. We acknowledge that he's gone unconscious, yet still aren't helping, and are actively preventing potentially medically trained personnel in the crowd from helping. But he's not our fault, even though our own actions ACTIVELY prevented the rendering of aid that we ourselves clearly knew was required, as we radio'd an ambulance."

You see the sketchyneck nature of your argument?



None of that says anything other than that once you were restrained and unconscious, and there was a crowd pointing at your absolute unresponsiveness, you should no longer receive a neck restraint.

Floyd's history, or even his crime, don't have any real bearing on his death. And that's kind of the problem. Yes, we DID all see the facebook live video. I suggest you go watch it (sound on). It's linked in the topic post. You could do with the reminder.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jun 5 2020 12:47am

Why thank you for assuming I'm senile and I can't remember a video from 3 days ago. :/

See my edit in previous post.

Its not failing to render aid, its actively PREVENTING it.
If you are drowning and i throw you a cinder block and hold a gun on the life savers and poke holes in their flotation devices i am not "failing to render aid".

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Jun 5 2020 12:53am

So any time bystanders start screaming at police that they want to assist someone in custody and the police refuse to let them, they take on criminal liability?
Surmounting immunity is a high hurdle to that. They were conducting a lawful arrest with probable cause. Saying that they are now personally responsible for the whims of random passerbys based on their word alone is not a case a reasonable prosecutor would want to make. What kind of deference to anarchy is required for cops to be held liable for securing a crime scene instead of intentionally letting the public interference?

May 26th was not 3 days ago. I'll assume you're a Ben Shapiro fan, and utilizing his "LITERALLY 5 seconds ago!" version of so-called comedy.

Your edit is meaningless. You've attempted to cast doubt regarding the actions of the officers. There's no doubt. We know what they did. We don't, to the best of my knowledge, have a complete picture, as I haven't seen shoulder cam footage. But the footage doesn't matter.

The problem in this case is that a person was tasked to enter a police vehicle, and restrained by the neck from doing so. They were restrained until they lost consciousness and ultimately died. This is inexcusable. Period. It doesn't go beyond that. There's clear wrongdoing.

I don't defend dirty cops because riots are bad also. Two things can be true. Riots are fucking terrible, and rioters are criminal who deserve the book every bit as much as dirty cops. Be consistent, or stop pretending. Pick one. What are your principles?



You cannot prove a lawful arrest. There's a level of resistance required prior to any neck restraint being utilized that has not been established or proven.

As things stand right now, not only are the methods of restraint utilized in the arrest unlawful, they're actively criminal in nature.

Your argument is terrible.



I've stated this 3246523623456234612351235413462362351235123521561 times in this topic. Don't bother, Matt. They don't care.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jun 5 2020 12:56am