He used the leverage given by his office to pressure a foreign government on investigating/producing dirt on his political rival. Even though it cant technically be proven that he acted out of selfish reasons and not out of genuine concern for corruption, it's very obvious that his motivation was self-serving.

However: this domestic rival has himself used the same pressure techniques and covered for a family member who was engaged in a morally questionable yet legal form of nepotism. Furthermore, I would strongly assume that world leaders are constantly pressuring each other behind closed doors to get what they want, and that their goals often times are as much about which headlines will help them domestically as they are about actual policy. So effectively, I dont think that what Trump did was that unusual, he was just too clumsy and sloppy to pull it off without being caught.

So in this sense, I think that what Trump did was bad, and deserving of a Congressional slap on the fingers, e.g. via censure. But it imho still falls short (by quite a big margin) of being worthy of impeachment.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 13 2019 07:14pm

Why do you lie, liar?

where exactly am I lying?

Biden never covered for a family member

yea that much i heard but i havent heard the phone call where he says that or in the transcripts. whats concerning is this whistleblower who nobody has seen and could be santa claus for all we know. i think the democraps should just admit they wasted everyones time etc and call it even seeing as how their dear hilary and like you pointed out about biden should be literally in jail and out of office themselves. hilary has done far worse than trump and is still able to run for president makes no sense.

There's even national footage of Biden Sr. bragging about manipulating foreign governments. Yet, ask some of the retards around here and they'll conveniently change the subject.

Biden getting the prosecutor fired who was investigating the shady company where his son was earning a ton of money to lend his last name comes as close to covering for a family member as it gets.

Of course you can try to argue that Biden only got the guy fired because he was corrupt and threatening American interests and yada yada, and that it had nothing to do with his family's involvement in the situation.
But that take on Biden's motivations is about as believable as "Trump only wanted Burisma investigated because he cares about corruption, it had nothing to do with self-interest".

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 13 2019 07:57pm

You need to do some serious research. Go read up on Viktor Shokin, what he was doing to Burisma, etc. You either lack a substantial amount of the knowledge regarding Ukraine or you have Ghot level of intellect (and I'm pretty sure the latter isn't the case!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Shokin
Do you honestly believe that Biden got the IMF, ERBD, etc. to back him to protect his son? Do you know how ludicrous that sounds?

This post was edited by thundercock on Dec 13 2019 08:58pm

All of this "quid pro quo" bullshit really boils down to distracting American voters from who the real government elitists are. Yet, in some form of crazy ass mental gymnastics, they've got useful idiots literally campaigning for them while thumping their chests about how revolutionary they are lol.

How dare Trump casually suggest to a foreign entity that they should look into possible corruption. How fucking DARE he! lol. No, let's impeach the president for something that someone else is guilty of lol.

This post was edited by CarsV on Dec 13 2019 09:01pm

There's nothing wrong with a quid pro quo if everyone in America is on the same page.