It seems like the strategy of Mueller's Special Counsel is to flip as many Trump associates into cooperation as possible, and then use that collateral information to zero in on the President and the potential Trump campaign collusion as much as possible.

It's a good strategy, but collusion should probably be at the dead center of the investigation for the duration of the Special Counsel. I can't help but feel like the Special Counsel is pushing its boundaries at times, despite the fact that its within its own jurisdiction to do so.

Take a look at the Monica Lewinsky scandal, for instance. Kenneth Starr's Special Counsel was plagued by partisanship. Do Special Counsels have too much power and capability? I think it's a fair question. I see a lot of potential for abuse. Antonin Scalia dissented in Morrison v. Olson with a similar opinion.

I agree. Even if there is clear cut evidence of obstruction of justice, meaning something we haven't seen publicly, Republicans won't remove him, and probably won't even impeach him.

I have no idea what the outcome of this is going to be. It could be one of the biggest moments in modern American political history, or it could be basically nothing.

What? Are you saying that a foreign nation meddling in our elections shouldn't be condemned? ...

On a scale of 1-5, in your opinion, how big of an impact did Russia have on the election ?

1 being zero impact
2 being a very tiny degree of impact
3 being fair amount of impact
4 being significant impact
5 being they virtually swayed the election

4 probably a 5 (but 5 can't really be proven to my knowledge so i'll go with a 4.

I think the most likely outcome is this: Trump is charged with obstruction of justice but not collusion. House does not impeach.

If Democrats control the House, I think Trump will be impeached, but he will not be convicted by the Senate. I could even see Democrats drawing up articles of impeachment 5 or more times if they control the House.

And even if Democrats manage to earn a majority in the Senate (doubtful), I do not see Trump being convicted. I see no path for 67 votes in the Senate, but that's just my speculation.

All in all, I see very few paths for Trump's removal from office from the potential results of Mueller's Special Counsel. Even if Trump is found to have directly colluded with Russia, I think it's a coin toss at best for Republican Senators to remove him from office. They might get 6-10 votes at best from the usual GOP deep-state crowd/occasional Trump critics, but that only places them at around 60 total votes at the very best.

Could the results form the Special Counsel damage Trump politically? Probably a little. Could they remove him from office? I'd say doubtful.

Scenario...


Trump and Mueller in cahoots.
Are really investigating Hillary and Obama, but figured if they made it look like they were investigating Trump, no one would suspect their true investigation.

this applies just as much as last time you posted that idea
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This post was edited by remco6 on Jun 26 2018 04:36pm

Pure fantasy. Trump's former campaign manager is in jail, and his former National Security Adviser and personal attorney are cooperating (or about to be) with the Special Counsel.

Unless Trump and Mueller are playing 103D Backgammon and have us all fooled, you can keep dreaming.