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Nov 14 2022 04:07pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Nov 14 2022 10:06pm)
Yeah I agree in that sense, but I think we should still be concerned about the increasingly tyrannical nature of how the west maintains its grip on power.

What makes me think things are changing is the
rising resentment towards western dominance, the current attempt to create another global reserve currency by BRICS, America's internal social and economic issues and the rise of nationalist sentiment in many western countries. I should clarify that by soon I'm thinking more like 20-30 years maybe, not next week.

I'm not sure what the changes will be but I think it could be a complete economic disaster for western countries though of course I hope it isn't. Best case scenario I'd say western countries just have a lot less global influence, as well as the breakdown of a lot of international agreements like NATO and EU, or at least very different than they are today.


sorry i think alot of that is wishful thinking on your part. where do you see nato breaking down, and well while england left the EU it did not cause a domino effect and finally the no.1 strongest bestest greatest country in the world is not going to roll over and play dead any time soon.
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Nov 14 2022 04:10pm
Quote (Palasan @ Nov 14 2022 06:06pm)
Of course its sketchy, and there are still many issues in Ukraine, outdated built on 1980s Soviet blueprints tax system is one of them, it has largely been a Russian vassal state for 20 odd years dependent on Russian money. But so far Zelensky has been the best president Ukraine ever had even prior to the war breaking out. He had the balls to start harassing and isolating Putins proxies like Medvedevechuk curbing Russian influence and operations in place to overthrow/weaken Ukraine when invasion began to install a puppet president, something super pro-nationalistic Poroshunka never done and constantly played it by the oligarch playbook making deals with said Russian proxies in the Ukraine during his 4 year stint as the president, filling his pockets through retarded see-through projects like building 2 meter fences on the eastern Ukrainian border Russian tanks drove through in seconds when invasion started.


https://i.ibb.co/f8rmV4D/image.jpg
Who in their right mind would build this crap for 100 odd million dollars, using the taxpayers money desperately needed in all other sectors thinking it would provide any sort of protection against Russia?


Lmao yeah that fence is dumb, I know Russias equipment sucks but you could drive through that with a car lol
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Nov 14 2022 04:12pm
Quote (ferdia @ 15 Nov 2022 06:07)
sorry i think alot of that is wishful thinking on your part. where do you see nato breaking down, and well while england left the EU it did not cause a domino effect and finally the no.1 strongest bestest greatest country in the world is not going to roll over and play dead any time soon.


The only way for the No.1 bestest greatest Country in the world to collapse, is for her to collapse within.
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Nov 14 2022 04:13pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 14 2022 10:12pm)
The only way for the No.1 bestest greatest Country in the world to collapse, is for her to collapse within.


yes.
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Nov 14 2022 04:28pm
Quote (ferdia @ Nov 14 2022 06:07pm)
sorry i think alot of that is wishful thinking on your part. where do you see nato breaking down, and well while england left the EU it did not cause a domino effect and finally the no.1 strongest bestest greatest country in the world is not going to roll over and play dead any time soon.


It's not really wishful, just what I think will happen, I'd prefer it not to.

I see NATO breaking down because the reason for its existence was the soviet union which hasn't been a real threat since its collapse, as evidenced by Russias poor performance in Ukraine, does anyone really think they are moving onto the rest of Europe after this? Are they a terrifying military power or a defunct soviet relic? Will the rest of NATO be interested in helping the US vs China for dominance in Asia? Beyond statements of support, or denouncing Chinese aggression etc etc.

To me it's essentially a money laundering operation for defense companies at this point.

I'd say England leaving the EU was a big deal, and there are other countries within the EU that have serious issues with how it functions. Not something I'm well read on though.

The US relies heavily on the dollar being a global reserve currency, that changing could have drastic effects on its power and despite it still being the most powerful country in the world, it's not a problem that can necessarily be solved by military strength. It may be that these challenges are dealt with somehow but the fact the challenges exist now is a sign to me that we are entering a new era, geopolitically.
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Nov 14 2022 04:34pm
Quote (SunnyvaleTrailerPark @ 14 Nov 2022 21:17)
You describing America right now right? What we've done in the middle east/syria/vietnam and all those countries we fucked right?


no i was describing the murderer and dictator pootin and the CCP - the ones you're rooting for.

the predictable whataboutism regarding america's unjustified wars in the middle east, which are equally despicable, don't magically make your cheering for dead women and children any less sociopathic...
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Nov 14 2022 05:29pm
Quote (fender @ Nov 14 2022 05:34pm)
no i was describing the murderer and dictator pootin and the CCP - the ones you're rooting for.

the predictable whataboutism regarding america's unjustified wars in the middle east, which are equally despicable, don't magically make your cheering for dead women and children any less sociopathic...


Because what you've described is 100% Allies doing in the middle east/syria for their oil/drug $ and milk what we destroyed with contractor $
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Nov 14 2022 06:32pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 14 Nov 2022 22:06)
"The documents show that Zelensky and his partners in a television production company, Kvartal 95, set up a network of offshore firms dating back to at least 2012, the year the company began making regular content for TV stations owned by Ihor Kolomoisky, an oligarch dogged by allegations of multi-billion-dollar fraud. The offshores were also used by Zelensky associates to purchase and own three prime properties in the center of London.

The documents also show that just before he was elected, he gifted his stake in a key offshore company, the British Virgin Islands-registered Maltex Multicapital Corp., to his business partner — soon to be his top presidential aide. And in spite of giving up his shares, the documents show that an arrangement was soon made that would allow the offshore to keep paying dividends to a company that now belongs to his wife."

Maybe this sort of stuff is regular business in Ukraine but it looks sketchy to me.

Why did he start the offshore firms the year he started working for a notorious oligarch? Why switch the ownership of them before he was elected?

I dont think anyone would be shocked he was worth millions as a celebrity, but the way he moved his money and the connections to the oligarch make it seem suspicious.


Dude, this kind of behavior puts Zelensky in the bottom decile of corruption by the standards of Ukrainian elites.

The big question mark surrounding Zelensky is not personal corruption, but rather his relationship with the notoriously shady oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi. Zelensky most definitely isn't his "puppet" and just carrying out Kolomoyskyi's orders like some critics insinuate, but I would prefer a political leader without any ties to figures like that guy. Let's just say that in a post-war Ukraine, I would still expect Kolomoyskyi's business to thrive.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 14 2022 06:34pm
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Nov 14 2022 06:38pm
Quote (SunnyvaleTrailerPark @ 15 Nov 2022 00:29)
Because what you've described is 100% Allies doing in the middle east/syria for their oil/drug $ and milk what we destroyed with contractor $


again, nice whataboutism you have there, but that won't make your cheering for pootin and china to murder innocent civilians any better.

whoever roots for american drones murdering civilians is a sociopath too, but this happens to be a thread about russia.
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Nov 14 2022 06:43pm
Quote (fender @ Nov 15 2022 03:38am)
again, nice whataboutism you have there, but that won't make your cheering for pootin and china to murder innocent civilians any better.

whoever roots for american drones murdering civilians is a sociopath too, but this happens to be a thread about russia.


I think what he is trying to say is: (incomparable)

US: killed directly/indirectly 2-3++million civilians last 20 years or so, and plundered countries
Russia: 6000-10000 civilians in ukraine so far

Lastly, moralistic point of view does not belong in politics. I would recommend you guys partake in what is known as homosexual activity, that is more relevant than spewing your bullshit feelings on a political-topic. In your act of "love making" you can discuss your feelings
Political discussions irl+online and in many other forms is plagued by the same group of mega pussies (or pieces of shit that mask moralism to further a bias when it fits narrative)

This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 14 2022 06:53pm
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