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Quote (Thor123422 @ 5 Jun 2020 03:58)
You realize that over policing and uneven enforcement results in poverty right? Bail aint cheap and being held until trial because you cant post it fucks your family. Similarly being constantly pulled over for no reason increases the chance for said bullshit to occur.


Racism by society, racism by cops, poverty, drugs, an outdated and unfair judicial system, a destructive culture - all those things are contributing factors to the misery of black communities, and there are myriads of mutual interactions in all directions between them.

Over policiing and uneven enforcement can stem from racism, but it can also stem from higher crime rates in a particular neighborhood - and a higher crime rate is typically the consequence of poverty.
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Quote (Engage_Enemy @ Jun 4 2020 09:28pm)
Innocent until proven guilty my friend.




Oh, but there's a crowd on PaRD, that no longer believes in that. Most don't, but there is quite a few.
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Racism by society, racism by cops, poverty, drugs, an outdated and unfair judicial system, a destructive culture - all those things are contributing factors to the misery of black communities, and there are myriads of mutual interactions in all directions between them.

Over policiing and uneven enforcement can stem from racism, but it can also stem from higher crime rates in a particular neighborhood - and a higher crime rate is typically the consequence of poverty.


A higher crime rate is also a consequence of over-policing.

Let's say we have two neighborhoods with equal crime rates. One week the cops implement a system to assign more cops to a location based on the previous week's crime rate for that neighborhood. Last week neighborhood A had 8 crimes, and 4 were caught, but neighborhood had 8 crimes and 5 were caught, just by luck. Next week, both have 10 crimes, but because more police were assigned to neighborhood B the number caught was 8 and neighborhood A had 3 crimes caught because less were assigned. Next week even more police are assigned to B because now the difference is 8 vs 3. Repeat for years and years. Eventually neighborhood B is deteriorated because you've over-policed them, nobody trusts the cops, and the crime rate might truly be higher, but it was caused by over-policing.

In this case, we know for a fact that over-policing and uneven enforcement is caused by racism because it stems from laws that were specifically designed to target those communities. So we don't even really need to look at the analogy I gave, because we already know that crime rates are similar among populations (i.e. drug use and dealing) but one gets policed more and so gets more caught. Add in that the police are largely the cause of the "black people don't have fathers" trope because they've targeted the adult males of the community who were historically the breadwinners and.... lets just say the conclusion is basically written on the wall.

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Oh, but there's a crowd on PaRD, that no longer believes in that. Most don't, but there is quite a few.


You have been calling hillary clinton guilty for like 2 years.
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Another homicide in Minneapolis just now, body dumped at north memorial after being shot in the city
But hey we can't even differentiate that between "deaths due to riots" and "business as normal in murderapolis"
Maybe there's some kind of takeaway we should have from that

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Not a single reasonable poster here on PaRD has defended the cop who murdered george floyd.


I don't think a poster is reasonable unless they're willing to defend the cop's rights to due process whether or not they're guilty
Circling back to what I said the other day, you don't achieve liberties by taking them away from someone else
There's something very wrong with a society where its absolutely haram to defend the rights of those accused under unclear circumstances but perfectly kosher to celebrate cops getting murdered in terrorist attacks.
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 4 2020 11:50pm)
You have been calling hillary clinton guilty for like 2 years.




You ofc remember the DOJ documents in TheHill's article showing proof that she had done what she was accused of.
And you do remember her destroying 33,000 emails after she had been subpoenaed to provide them?
I mean just destroying the emails would have been enough.

If I destroyed evidence I had been subpoenaed to provide... they would just lock me up and throw away the key.

But she is a politician and they don't have to obey the same laws the rest of us do. Just because I thought she should be locked up, doesn't mean I didn't think she should have her day in court.
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You ofc remember the DOJ documents in TheHill's article showing proof that she had done what she was accused of.
And you do remember her destroying 33,000 emails after she had been subpoenaed to provide them?
I mean just destroying the emails would have been enough.

If I destroyed evidence I had been subpoenaed to provide... they would just lock me up and throw away the key.

But she is a politician and they don't have to obey the same laws the rest of us do. Just because I thought she should be locked up, doesn't mean I didn't think she should have her day in court.


So was she found guilty in a court of law or not?
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Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 4 2020 10:50pm)
I don't think a poster is reasonable unless they're willing to defend the cop's rights to due process whether or not they're guilty
Circling back to what I said the other day, you don't achieve liberties by taking them away from someone else
There's something very wrong with a society where its absolutely haram to defend the rights of those accused under unclear circumstances but perfectly kosher to celebrate cops getting murdered in terrorist attacks.


I specifically asked you how his right to due process has been violated. Being charged quickly for something doesn't violate anybody's right to due process, and that's really all you have.
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 4 2020 11:59pm)
So was she found guilty in a court of law or not?



Well it's not like she murdered someone, accidentally or otherwise. The evidence itself was beyond reproach.
Like the destruction of the emails. Do you have the emails? No. Well, then you're guilty.
She had them when she was subpoenaed.

Pretty open and shut, bro.

But still, she should have her day in court. But that never even happened.
The FBI as well, not even started on the list of witnesses, drops the case.

The same FBI that's on the hot seat right now, after Rosenstein's testimony on Wednesday.

We know all this by the much more familiar name... the Swamp.


Even John Durham's investigation went from an inquiry to a criminal investigation, almost as soon as it started.






















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