Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 4 2020 04:36pm)

Black lives don't matter. Nobody cares about dead black people.
Right in the middle of the riots a black woman in her 30s was murdered. Ochea Antjuanette Brown was found deceased in a smashed up car at 17th and Bryant with her head turned into a bloody pulp and signs of sexual trauma.
When her body was found, she just got added to the running tally of the riots as a footnote. No reporters followed up, no details on the police investigation, no identification, no anything.
She was just some random anonymous dead black woman, nobody cared.
Now today we get news that her murderer has been arrested. 29 year old black male Jordan Latrell Jefferson, on charges of second degree murder.
He had been riding with her, got into an argument, punched her repeatedly, and when she got out of the vehicle and tried to walk away down a sidewalk he ran her down with the car, dragged her several blocks and got out and kept hitting her.
The vehicle and evidence was recovered and traced, an eyewitness Jordan tried to threaten into silence gave a statement, the relationship of the two was known, and then Jordan confessed to the murder.
Unlike the George Floyd case, we have abundant proof beyond a reasonable doubt a black person was murderer.

And how much does anyone care? There's not a single news outlet even reporting on the arrest, and the only reports of her murder were footnotes in lists. The only way to find out is to search the hennepin county police databases and jail roster
https://jailroster.hennepin.us/JailRosterOnline/jail-roster/search-results/details/2020010762
Her GoFundMe has raised a meager $12,000.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/ochea-brown-funding

That's how much black lives matter. If it was a white woman found raped and murdered and half-decapitated in a car in Minneapolis, it would have been a national story

Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 4 2020 01:36pm)

Black lives don't matter. Nobody cares about dead black people.
Right in the middle of the riots a black woman in her 30s was murdered. Ochea Antjuanette Brown was found deceased in a smashed up car at 17th and Bryant with her head turned into a bloody pulp and signs of sexual trauma.
When her body was found, she just got added to the running tally of the riots as a footnote. No reporters followed up, no details on the police investigation, no identification, no anything.
She was just some random anonymous dead black woman, nobody cared.
Now today we get news that her murderer has been arrested. 29 year old black male Jordan Latrell Jefferson, on charges of second degree murder.
He had been riding with her, got into an argument, punched her repeatedly, and when she got out of the vehicle and tried to walk away down a sidewalk he ran her down with the car, dragged her several blocks and got out and kept hitting her.
The vehicle and evidence was recovered and traced, an eyewitness Jordan tried to threaten into silence gave a statement, the relationship of the two was known, and then Jordan confessed to the murder.
Unlike the George Floyd case, we have abundant proof beyond a reasonable doubt a black person was murderer.

And how much does anyone care? There's not a single news outlet even reporting on the arrest, and the only reports of her murder were footnotes in lists. The only way to find out is to search the hennepin county police databases and jail roster
https://jailroster.hennepin.us/JailRosterOnline/jail-roster/search-results/details/2020010762
Her GoFundMe has raised a meager $12,000.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/ochea-brown-funding

That's how much black lives matter. If it was a white woman found raped and murdered and half-decapitated in a car in Minneapolis, it would have been a national story

Quote (thundercock @ 5 Jun 2020 00:20)

That's kind of the point, isn't it? People dying this way doesn't make the news. It's seen as normal and it's out of sight, out of mind.

But hey, at least there will be justice in that there's one more violent criminal off the streets.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 4 2020 08:02pm)

Well, if the death of a black person only riles up fellow blacks if the perpetrator was white while the far more prevalent black-on-black crime (over 90% of homicides with a black victim, according to FBI data) doesnt elicit the same kind of response, then it becomes harder to maintain the claim that "black lives matter".

The more precise description of these protests is probably that they are aimed at systemic violence and racist treatment of blacks by the police - which is a more egregious issue anyway (compared to generic violence fueled by poverty and degeneration of communities).
So that's the crucial context Goom was missing - but in a very literal sense, he is right and "black lives matter" can indeed come across as a misleading slogan for these protests.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 4 2020 05:02pm)

Well, if the death of a black person only riles up fellow blacks if the perpetrator was white while the far more prevalent black-on-black crime (over 90% of homicides with a black victim, according to FBI data) doesnt elicit the same kind of response, then it becomes harder to maintain the claim that "black lives matter".

The more precise description of these protests is probably that they are aimed at systemic violence and racist treatment of blacks by the police - which is a more egregious issue anyway (compared to generic violence fueled by poverty and degeneration of communities).
So that's the crucial context Goom was missing - but in a very literal sense, he is right and "black lives matter" can indeed come across as a misleading slogan for these protests.

Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 4 2020 07:33pm)

Is it actually a more egregious issue than endemic violence within black communities? Both are structural issues rooted in historic inequality, isn't it a mistake to focus on the lesser impact at the expense of the greater?

Quote (Budgeting @ Jun 4 2020 08:50pm)

are people really still defending the cops who murdered george floyd? lol........................................

Quote (bogie160 @ 5 Jun 2020 02:33)

Is it actually a more egregious issue than endemic violence within black communities? Both are structural issues rooted in historic inequality, isn't it a mistake to focus on the lesser impact at the expense of the greater?

Quote (Thor123422 @ 5 Jun 2020 02:41)

Over-policing and police bruatality are one of the sources for the endemic violence in black communities. When a population can't trust the ones who are supposed to protect them the community will not be stable, and it has been the police that enforced all the racist policies, like red-lining, that lead to this issue in the first place.

To say we need to fix the endemic violence problem before fixing the policing problem is quite literally putting the cart before the horse.

Quote (Budgeting @ 5 Jun 2020 02:50)

are people really still defending the cops who murdered george floyd? lol........................................

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 4 2020 08:49pm)

The police are trusted with protecting their communities and upholding the law, and are given special powers and legal protection to carry out this fundamental task. When these people then abuse their power and the trust that is put into them by supporting and perpetuating racism, by harassing vulnerable citizens and even killing them in cold blood, then yes, I consider this more egregious than random criminal A killing random criminal B in a gang shootout. That these bad faith actors among the police tend to get away with it time and time again is just the cherry on top.



Mmmhh... I see your point, but I personally still believe that poverty, and the unfavorable culture it breeds, is the most important factor for the misery of black communities.



Not a single reasonable poster here on PaRD has defended the cop who murdered george floyd.