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Aug 23 2018 12:22pm
Quote (dro94 @ 23 Aug 2018 19:39)


noice, how come dallas?


my best friend is studying there, past time i visited him and we will watch the cowboys against philly
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which fear mongering, dehumanising, cherry picking are you talking about?
i report facts from daily life, so called "isolated cases" that pile up by the thousands

one of my main arguments is that almost every single case i write about could have been prevented and should never have happened in the first place
by simply enforcing that law that we have and those who violate it on a daily basis (merkel and her minions) can not be a part of the solution

you do make reasonable arguments, finally (can you do this more often please), but i dont see it in reality
overhaul of legal frameworks is nice, but we didnt even respect the old one and seriously investigating claims for refugee status is pretty much impossible

refugee boats will stop coming if we enforce the same policy australia did "no way"
the self proclaimed saviors in the mediterranean have no right to ship people to our shores despite their ridiculous claims and they have no respect for the people of europe, who have to deal with the mess
not to mention that they are a central part of the human trafficking system, 28 EU states and most of them have a navy to help people and bring them back, is that really so hard?

i am open for solutions (where did you get the idea that i am not?) and i have said so more than once, however i strongly believe that people coming to europe can never be the answer
it took just ~1,X million migrants to cause the trouble in germany we have right now, thats africas population growth of around 2 weeks so we arent helping one bit

africans have to do it by themselves, i do agree that dumping money there isnt exactly working, thats why these people have to sort it out in their own
european workers are too busy being babysitters for others

what you call cherry picking is me pointing out that the cultural background of the people coming here will end up in disaster, one way or the other and false tolerance is the worst way to deal with it (at least you kinda said as much)
you can ask a random psychologist and he will tell you cant just change people beyond a certain age, that battle is lost before it began, thats why i say that integration is completely useless for the vast majority

i do appreciate the will to integrate, but even for integrated asylum seekers and those with an official status i will stick with the definition of asylum
its temporary protection, all of them have to leave one day or the other

there are legal ways for permanent migration of people with actual skills, no need to change anything at all

actually german speaking syrians could help us to rebuild syria to just name one example, however we would need to speak with the people in charge
there are plenty of ideas to make deals with syria and other places to actually help where it is needed

even you have to admit, that the current government and all parties (except the afd of course) do not plan to send asylum seekers back whatsoever, its clear that they want permanent mass migration

i reject that as well as the ideology of islam
this backward belief system has no place here, qur'an, sharia, its not a debate for me and they are the mainstream in every single muslim country on earth (FACT)
if people want to integrate they will have to relinquish every single part that is not compatible with our law and free society, period (when will that happen? i am waiting)

i will admit that i do tend to see the negative things as lots of people in my family are in the police force and you get the daily reports from the street, where the state is losing control, every day a bit more

i wonder where you get the idea that i represent extreme positions, i clearly explained that enforcement of existing law and a rejection of any ideology that violates it is more than good enough
is that too much to ask? i always thought the CDU and merkel would represent just that and i voted for her in 2009 despite having some problems with the EU and the currency

times have changed and the former socialist FDJ secretary for propaganda (no suprise she had such a splendid career in eastern germany) has made it clear that she has no values or guidelines at all
i am not dividing anything, the people in power do and you realising that would help us all a lot

"it's NOT happening again in germany"

would you care to elaborate? what exactly should or should not happen again in germany? (i think i know what you mean, but its getting ridiculous)
as a matter of fact everyone is a minority right now, even the invincible CSU is about to lose their majority in bavaria
all polls suggest that a clear majority wants a major change in politics and is done with the refugee madness

by the way, i am not a party member (yet) of the afd so its feeling kinda weird when you use the word "you", but alright
obviously they dont have real power as of yet, but the party is only 5 years old....making the parliament in every election is rather impressive and its growing

i told you several times that, if the CDU could just do its job and represent OUR interests, there would be no need for them at all and many members come from merkels party

the country as a whole is losing every day the current government is doing their destructive work, stop pushing responsibility to those who are actively opposing it
there is no need for a trump, a söder or a meuthen would be pretty decent for starters

to copy your last words, a real change is not in sight in germany and the stupidity will continue for a while


you are so full of it. making actual ARGUMENTS about immigrant crime (particularly concerning categories where they are significantly overrepresented in the statistics) and the strain on our social system is only fair - and i agree with the notion that we HAVE to do something about it.

what you are doing here, however, is not an 'argument' - it's textbook propaganda: your daily 'report' of crimes committed by people with foreign sounding names and / or dark skin (some of which aren't even migrants, others turn out to be innocent) is pure cherry picking to further your 'immigrants bad' narrative.
i haven't seen you make a SINGLE post about the rise in far right violence, about attacks AGAINST immigrants and minorities, or just one that puts the numbers into perspective. all you do is post the cases that go through your little echo chamber each day and confirm your bias about the severity and scope of the problem. then you perpetuate it with your irrational and panicked 'cultural war' and 'nation under attack' fear mongering rhetoric. that's propaganda 101.

the fact that you genuinely can't seem to distinguish between legitimate, constructive, and quite frankly necessary criticism (given that change in public perception and especially political action is so painfully slow) on the one hand, and right wing propaganda (which, again, is counter-productive and just further divides the country into two irreconcilable camps) anymore, just confirms my earlier assumption: sadly, it just seems to be simply too late for you...
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Aug 23 2018 06:08pm
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you are so full of it. making actual ARGUMENTS about immigrant crime (particularly concerning categories where they are significantly overrepresented in the statistics) and the strain on our social system is only fair - and i agree with the notion that we HAVE to do something about it.

what you are doing here, however, is not an 'argument' - it's textbook propaganda: your daily 'report' of crimes committed by people with foreign sounding names and / or dark skin (some of which aren't even migrants, others turn out to be innocent) is pure cherry picking to further your 'immigrants bad' narrative.
i haven't seen you make a SINGLE post about the rise in far right violence, about attacks AGAINST immigrants and minorities, or just one that puts the numbers into perspective. all you do is post the cases that go through your little echo chamber each day and confirm your bias about the severity and scope of the problem. then you perpetuate it with your irrational and panicked 'cultural war' and 'nation under attack' fear mongering rhetoric. that's propaganda 101.

the fact that you genuinely can't seem to distinguish between legitimate, constructive, and quite frankly necessary criticism (given that change in public perception and especially political action is so painfully slow) on the one hand, and right wing propaganda (which, again, is counter-productive and just further divides the country into two irreconcilable camps) anymore, just confirms my earlier assumption: sadly, it just seems to be simply too late for you...


mostly a dodge unfortunately, i shouldnt have wasted my time, but so be it

so you dont think there is some kind of cultural war happening, when foreign customs that are completely incompatible with our society and law are making its way into the country? child marriages, clan structures, sharia among others? ramadan being forced on children in our schools until they literally collapse and little girls with hijabs
stating facts is never propaganda

i have never seen you making a post about the shocking rise on leftist extremism crime and i havent forgotten how you tried to play down the g20 riots
there is no excuse for ultra right wing crime, but the rise is only logical
thousands of "cherry picking" cases piling up will eventually trigger some people into violence

maybe it might a part of the solution to stop illegal migration and deport criminals, that will result in more tolerance and you wont have so many people radicalising, just saying

thats the irony our politicians and people like dont seem to get, when you talk about "we have to learn from history"
ignoring severe problems in daily life like that will always result in a big mess
you remember what happened in rostock in 1992?

gypsy migrants caused massive problems with crime, made open fires on balconies and turned entire streets into garbage dumps (will gladly provide good sources if you like)
people complaining got ignored for weeks and months
and the result is a disgraceful outrage and vietnamese migrants were the victims in the end

literally the last people to cause any trouble, who have crime rates below the native population and are successful everywhere (maybe because they dont follow a disgusting and backward belief system?)

to be perfectly clear, when i complain about our state failing and being soft it does not exclude other areas
take the "reichsbürger" movement (for others who are reading, they are a movement of complete nutjobs who think that the german empire still exists) for example, thousands of them are armed and as you know police officers have been severely hurt or even killed by such people
however i do think that migrant crime gangs and illegals are the bigger problem as of now and certainly easier to solve

fair enough, maybe i should include more absurdities from other perspectives

unfortunately you fail address the left leaning mainstream propaganda, that openly tries to cover things up and refuses to report (yeah i am looking you ARD/ZDF) and spreads outright fake news
the chief editor of the most important tv news in german tv, that is watched by millions, really defends not reporting migrant murder cases, because "asylum seekers are not represented in disproportionately high numbers in homicide crimes" (https://www.derwesten.de/politik/mord-in-offenburg-darum-berichtete-die-tagesschau-nicht-id215131055.html)
thats what he literally said

meanwhile in reality asylum seekers have over 10 times as many suspects in homicide compared to germans (even a green party guy like boris palmer said as much and quoted the federal crime statistics from 2016)


oops, but i guess the good guys are allowed to do it

you continue to spread that kind of stuff without any criticism or reflection, but maybe there is still hope for you
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Acid attacks are awful and their rising prevalence across the West is worrying. They originated in India and South East Asia but their use has spread, in part due to the ease of acquiring sulfuric acid. London now has the highest rate of acid attacks per capita in the world.

In my opinion, burning off half someone's face with sulfuric acid is worse than putting a bullet through their head. The trauma, rehabilitation and having to live the rest of your life with impaired (or no) sight, smell and hearing. The law in the UK currently charges most acid attacks under Grievous Bodily Harm (GBH), which can carry a sentence of anywhere from 3-16 years in prison. Too lenient...

(Fully aware of Ghot's above post referring to migrants throwing an irritant acid that is totally distinct from severe acid attacks. It just prompted me.)
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Aug 24 2018 04:59am
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at least in this case its reported that all these savages were sent back to morocco for once

Quote (dro94 @ 24 Aug 2018 10:40)
Acid attacks are awful and their rising prevalence across the West is worrying. They originated in India and South East Asia but their use has spread, in part due to the ease of acquiring sulfuric acid. London now has the highest rate of acid attacks per capita in the world.

In my opinion, burning off half someone's face with sulfuric acid is worse than putting a bullet through their head. The trauma, rehabilitation and having to live the rest of your life with impaired (or no) sight, smell and hearing. The law in the UK currently charges most acid attacks under Grievous Bodily Harm (GBH), which can carry a sentence of anywhere from 3-16 years in prison. Too lenient...

(Fully aware of Ghot's above post referring to migrants throwing an irritant acid that is totally distinct from severe acid attacks. It just prompted me.)


its absolutely shocking, especially when acid is used for robbery just to get a purse and a cell phone
attacking people with such a substance is attempted murder
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Aug 24 2018 12:52pm
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reminds me of the "trump shooting a man on 5th avenue in broad daylight without losing a single voter"-thing.
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Aug 24 2018 01:16pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 24 2018 07:52pm)
reminds me of the "trump shooting a man on 5th avenue in broad daylight without losing a single voter"-thing.


I can pull out a trump quote to put this into perspective, and since you are here: you've made quite a few worse responses regarding Muslims, irony.

2013, this shit gets older by the day. Just to keep the news cycle spinning, right?

Ppl, well mostly Dro here, are obsessed with finding possible anti-semetic links, almost like if they/he fears him to get power in the UK.. Scaly was right.

This post was edited by Knoppie on Aug 24 2018 01:35pm
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Quote (Knoppie @ Aug 24 2018 08:16pm)
I can pull out a trump quote to put this into perspective, and since you are here: you've made quite a few worse responses regarding Muslims, irony.

2013, this shit gets older by the day. Just to keep the news cycle spinning, right?

Ppl, well mostly Dro here, are obsessed with finding possible anti-semetic links, almost like if they/he fears him to get power in the UK.. Scaly was right.


You're deluded.
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