Quote (kusotarre1 @ Nov 9 2022 07:17pm)

That's not the issue, the issue is that Russia outfires Ukrainian artillery by an enormous margin, withdraws every time they face difficulty and that results in a much higher rate of loss for the AFU.

BBC will try to debunk Russian numbers and fail, but someone working there has consciously decided trying to do the same in Ukraine would 'help Putin' or whatever.


Yep, but the threat calculus leans towards Russia. If Russian assets start getting hit, the threat is annihilation at the hands of a Western backed army of Nazis or eventually being put into a situation where fission becomes an enticing process. If American UAVs and satellites get destroyed, some people they don't give a shit about have a harder time taking a place they don't give a shit about.

Quote (Santara @ Nov 9 2022 07:02pm)

I haven't been wrong. It's utterly disingenuous to draw distinctions between DPR, LPR, mercenary, or RU federal troop casualties. Coming along and saying "well ackshully, Russian troop losses haven't been that high" because many of the losses are being felt by parties fighting FOR RUSSIA, doesn't cut it in the game of honest discussion.

There are assets inside Russia proper that aren't attacked for the same reasons.

Quote (ferdia @ Nov 9 2022 11:19am)

sorry but what do you mean that Santara is wrong about the casualty figures? I thought there was general agreement in the thread only a month or so ago?

Quote (kusotarre1 @ Nov 9 2022 07:24pm)

Sure, an agreement among a bunch of people who also refuse to say that America bombed the Nordstream pipelines.

Russians have been inflicting much, much higher casualties on the Ukrainians than the reverse, even including losses from the former militias and PMCs.

To believe otherwise, you need to assume several things that don't make any sense, such as Russian artillery being an order of magnitude less lethal and BBC Russia being corrupted by the FSB.

It's nonsense and it's cope. Minimum 5:1 losses inflicted on the AFU.

Quote (ferdia @ 9 Nov 2022 22:34)

The US did not Bomb the Nordstream pipeline, instead they had allies do it for them. Biden said they would do it and they did it, now build a bridge and move on

Quote (ferdia @ Nov 9 2022 11:34am)

The US did not Bomb the Nordstream pipeline, instead they had allies do it for them. Biden said they would do it and they did it, now build a bridge and move on.

Quote (ferdia @ Nov 9 2022 11:34am)

Why do you care how many Ukrainians died? THEY dont care how many of their people die, they dont value life quite the same as other cultures. I mean, its quite similar to my own country, so please everyone dont see this as a chastisement of Ukrainian value of life but rather as an acknowledgement of the situation.

Quote (ferdia @ Nov 9 2022 11:34am)

Now, with brevity, if 20-30K Russians are dead and another 100K wounded, are you suggesting by this 5:1 ratio that 150000 Ukrainians are dead and another 500,000 wounded ? really ??

Quote (ferdia @ Nov 9 2022 10:34pm)

The US did not Bomb the Nordstream pipeline, instead they had allies do it for them. Biden said they would do it and they did it, now build a bridge and move on.

What number of fatalities and wounded do you not agree with, on the Ukrainian side ? Why do you care how many Ukrainians died? THEY dont care how many of their people die, they dont value life quite the same as other cultures. I mean, its quite similar to my own country, so please everyone dont see this as a chastisement of Ukrainian value of life but rather as an acknowledgement of the situation.

Now, with brevity, if 20-30K Russians are dead and another 100K wounded, are you suggesting by this 5:1 ratio that 150000 Ukrainians are dead and another 500,000 wounded ? really ??

Quote (Norlander @ Nov 9 2022 07:44pm)

But they also bombed a bridge B)

Quote (ferdia @ 9 Nov 2022 23:06)

i thought it was the Ukrainians that bombed the bridge.

Quote (ferdia @ Nov 9 2022 09:06pm)

i thought it was the Ukrainians that bombed the bridge.