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Nov 8 2022 09:48pm
Quote (Santara @ Nov 8 2022 07:33pm)
The sources were RU telegram

RU telegram is the best place to learn about RU failures, for two reasons.

First, they're doomers. They see a small failure and bitch and cry for hours. UA telegram provides that in inverse.

Second, they correct, because they have to struggle with the desire to balance doomerism with nationalism.

UA TG doesn't have this dialectic, because they (correctly) view positive news as beneficial to the war effort due to Western amplification of positive news and therefore more Western weapons shipments.

Quote (Santara @ Nov 8 2022 07:33pm)
You're literally using whataboutism while accusing me of it. The US has neither the obligation, nor the inclination to halt NATO expansion (even if I think it should be disbanded). And that's what this is about: NATO expansion, not any of the litany of things you want to use to characterize US policy on.

The point is there is no such thing as whataboutism. It's a neural hack to stub off learning.

You posit that the US doesn't need to implement the NATO freeze because they aren't legally obligated to. But the US isn't legally obligated to implement anything because America is a hegemonic power. And history clearly shows this is true.

Without 'whataboutism', you have to confront this contradiction and reconcile it. Therefore, 'whataboutism' is an ideological defense mechanism used to avoid this reconciliation.

Without it, the solution is obvious: power determines rules.

And honestly, why do you even care, since you think America is winning? That America will continue to win?

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Nov 8 2022 09:49pm
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Nov 8 2022 09:50pm
Quote (kusotarre1 @ Nov 8 2022 09:48pm)
RU telegram is the best place to learn about RU failures, for two reasons.

First, they're doomers. They see a small failure and bitch and cry for hours. UA telegram provides that in inverse.

Second, they correct, because they have to struggle with the desire to balance doomerism with nationalism.

UA TG doesn't have this dialectic, because they (correctly) view positive news as beneficial to the war effort due to Western amplification of positive news and therefore more Western weapons shipments.


The point is there is no such thing as whataboutism. It's a neural hack to stub off learning.

You posit that the US doesn't need to implement the NATO freeze because they aren't legally obligated to. But the US isn't legally obligated to implement anything because America is a hegemonic power. And history clearly shows this is true.

Without 'whataboutism', you have to confront this contradiction and reconcile it. Therefore, 'whataboutism' is an ideological defense mechanism used to avoid this reconciliation.

Without it, the solution is obvious: power determines rules.

And honestly, why do you even care, since you think America is winning? That America will continue to win?


What contradiction?
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Nov 8 2022 10:11pm
Reread, but do it better this time.
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Nov 8 2022 11:00pm
Oz has really bombed. I guess Fetterman will resign very soon, so that his far-left wife can take the seat. :rolleyes: :wallbash:

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Nov 9 2022 01:25am
Quote (Santara @ Nov 9 2022 12:06am)
I heard these were being installed outside Belgorod.



True or false: James Baker (US Secretary of State under George HW Bush) had the authority to speak for the Clinton administration, and those after Clinton?


Idk, doesn't matter I guess. I said it weeks ago, never trust their words but make them sign on a paper.
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Nov 9 2022 01:31am
Quote (kusotarre1 @ 9 Nov 2022 05:11)
Reread, but do it better this time.


Typo while writing "retreat" ?
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Nov 9 2022 03:06am
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Haha, China has Singapore, Cuba has Miami.




Not yet. If China had Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew wouldn't have jailed the potential communist without trial for 50 years -_-
That being said, Lee Kuan Yew and the Singapore Government worked closely with Deng Xiaoping and his Chinese government since 1978 to open China up to the world and convinced them not to spread their ideologue in South East Asia.
It was well documented.

In regards to Mao, yes during the first 1 or 2 decades of his rule, the Majority of China did view him very favorably up till the cultural revolution, and it went downhill.
Why was he viewed that way, simply because the KMT coalition was considered much worst than the Communist during that period of time.

And to add to it, if the Japanese didn't step in and Veto. China would have join Nazi Germany, they had really good relationships with them.

Here is some information.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-German_cooperation_(1926%E2%80%931941)
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Nov 9 2022 04:32am
Quote (Zooj @ Nov 9 2022 05:00am)
sick in za head Kremlin prostitute waked up


I think kusotarre, when not trolling, is very precise and they bring valid perspectives/ideas for the most part. I think even lvivz can be very accurate at times, but his views are clouded by rage/emotions/propaganda because he has personal involvement in the war.

If you want to talk about prostitutes, that have nothing of value to offer, santara is the biggest one here, a hypocritical subhuman who has 0 understanding of politics. Fender etc are trolls rather than anything else.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 9 2022 04:36am
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Nov 9 2022 04:44am
As for updates, Russians have been blowing up bridges north of Kherson which could signal retreat from Kherson.

Something i haven't seen discussed here is the reconnection of ZNPP to Ukrainian power grid, that has to be the most bizarre part of the war so far. (part of a peace deal?)

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Nov 9 2022 05:10am


Orcs blowing up bridges all over Kherson.

Retreat is on. Retreat is on-on.
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