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Mar 12 2022 10:51pm
Quote (TheOnlyDenny @ Mar 12 2022 05:17pm)
Yeah, the question remains however. We may find it unlikely even now, but just assuming Putin was gonna reach for the NATO members around the Baltic states, do you think there'd actually be a world war for the defense of Lithuania and Latvia?


A world war? I don't think so. But yes, NATO would respond militarily to defend the Baltics and drive Russia back.

Chamberlain has had a significant effect on our collective psyche. Doubly so for decision makers. I'm not sure how anyone can look at international politics over the last 30+ years and not conclude that the West is very aggressive. In this case, that's not a bad thing.
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Mar 12 2022 11:47pm
Fellas is it okay to root for your literal own country in a war
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 13 2022 06:41am)
That's the big question regarding NATO. Imho, all NATO countries would definitely go to war against Russia to defend Poland or Romania. For the simple reason that Russians advancing into these countries would necessarily imply that they're trying to put pressure toward Western Europe. Hence, the Germans, French and yes, also the Americans would want to wage this hypothetical war - which has just become inevitable in this scenario - as far to the east as possible.

The Baltics are the achilles heel of the current NATO configuration, similar to how East Berlin was the obvious achilles heel during the Cold War. In terms of economics, politics and geostrategic importance, the Baltics are definitely not worth risking a nuclear war with Russia. On the other hand, not defending them would render NATO itself obsolete. Once NATO doesn't act on a clear-cut case of Article 5, the organization will be doomed forever. So from an upholding-NATO-credibility standpoint, the Baltics would definitely have to be defended.


Good analysis imo. Poland is of particular importance due to geography. All the discussion about "geopolitics" and barely ever the geography part of it is mentioned.



I recommend watching this brief video for those who think this war has anything to do 'being surrounded by free nations' or whatever :)
In geopolitics, if you don't know what an opponent will do, you must assume he will do the worst and plan accordingly.
For Russia, NATO's expansion past natural geographic barriers and into the open plains close to it's core population centers can not be seen except as a major threat.
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Mar 13 2022 02:30am
Why doesn't Russians remove Putin? Are they simply too dumb or could it be because they drink more vodka than water?

This post was edited by meWW on Mar 13 2022 02:30am
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Mar 13 2022 04:10am
Quote (meWW @ Mar 13 2022 09:30am)
Why doesn't Russians remove Putin? Are they simply too dumb or could it be because they drink more vodka than water?


Because the act of speaking about removing Putin alone will get you in more trouble than you can afford. We're talking about Russia here, it's not the West and they probably have more police/secret service than ordinary citizens.

Simple answer ;)
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Mar 13 2022 04:15am
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Because the act of speaking about removing Putin alone will get you in more trouble than you can afford. We're talking about Russia here, it's not the West and they probably have more police/secret service than ordinary citizens.

Simple answer ;)


Tyranni at its best.
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Mar 13 2022 04:20am
Quote (meWW @ Mar 13 2022 11:15am)
Tyranni at its best.


Not only that, he seems to be paranoid and made double, triple sure no one can get at him

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Mar 13 2022 05:46am
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Not only that, he seems to be paranoid and made double, triple sure no one can get at him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmB-hdgIwpI


"Complete evil megalomaniac".
Glad this isn't biased propaganda....
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Mar 13 2022 05:55am
Quote (sirthom @ Mar 13 2022 12:46pm)
"Complete evil megalomaniac".
Glad this isn't biased propaganda....


Hey I never said it's not...

As a matter of fact I've pointed out many times that both sides use propaganda. You should see radical nationalists like Eeyore get triggered over it, lol

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Mar 13 2022 07:05am
Putin is safe for the time being, but he's more exposed than usual as the majority of their active soldiers are committed in Ukraine, as well as a sizeable number of rosgvardiya. If there is an uprising domestically it will be more difficult to crush, however the chances of a full blown revolt is extremely slim...

But fast forward a few months or years, and what about the soldiers coming back that are pissed off they saw their friends die in a pointless war? Where they were told they were going for training exercises and would be greeted with flowers? The conscripts that were rushed in with no training despite Putin promising they wouldn't be sent? There will be a six figure number of combat trained veterans going back to Russia, which is dangerous for the regime if they're pissed off. The 1917 revolution was influenced in part by WW1 veteran discontent, and history often repeats itself

Mothers of dead Russian soldiers have also been influential in causing the end of the Chechen wars through protest

Russia's economy is also expected to contract by as much as 15% in the coming year, down from an initial estimated growth of 3% (an 18% swing!). Economic ruin is a precursor to protest and regime change

This post was edited by dro94 on Mar 13 2022 07:06am
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