I'm not really shocked, they have tons of outdated equipment and are fighting NATO equipped and trained troops receiving major logistical/intelligence support from the world's most advanced militaries.

Do you foresee an actual ground war between NATO and Russia? Seems sort of irrelevant to me because of the nuclear issue, they can't really engage on that level with eachother, and if they do it certainly won't be for Ukraine.

Nice objectivity, suits your addicted to whataboutism self well.

whenever you're confronted with undeniable facts you default to "b-b-but what about x, y, z?!?"
again, two wrongs don't make a right. ukraine is a sovereign nation with internationally recognised borders, which include crimea. that's a FACT. no lazy whataboutism will change that.

the gorbachev agreement is a lie, there is no such thing - as is the alleged donbass genocide. ukraine has every right to fight back russian invaders.

the simple truth is: russia doesn't have ANY better justification to invade ukraine than mexico has to attack the US or mongolia to invade russia. almost every single nation in the world could come up with countless historical grievances against any of its neighbours, but that does NOT legitimise wars to redraw internationally accepted and agreed upon borders.

Yes there was a time they had friendly relations (they even warned gaddafi when the americans tried to kill him)

but this soured once ghaddafi seriously created an african union. He was also talking about a gold-based currency and other shit, that made the french nervous.

Gotta love that benign western hegemony!

So only wars that don't change "international borders" are okay? So you can bomb someone into oblivion, as long as you install a puppet or simply yeet out of there?

Not gonna lie, your logic is pretty flawed.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 8 2022 01:39pm

Before i go, fender is a troll by the way

China and Russia should never be mentioned in the same sentence to be honest. Its completely different set of ideologies both culturally and historically. Chinese are far too intelligent to pull dumb stunts comparable to what Russia has done. China likes silence, external conflicts are far too loud for its ears.

This post was edited by Palasan on Nov 8 2022 01:40pm

You're a hypocrite and you've got zero feeling for international politics.

No nuclear power is going to accept this kind of shit happening at their border.

NATO should've realized that and said well fine we had a damn good run and forget about further expansion East.

Simple as that

This post was edited by Djunior on Nov 8 2022 01:43pm