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This is also not political.

that's pretty disingenuous. pointing out how this will disproportionally affect poor and minority families, how it will predictably increase the number of children growing up in poverty, in loveless households, how it will contribute to crime and desperation, does not mean i support "offing humanity" in all sub-optimal circumstances. what an absurd misrepresentation of my stance. i mentioned before that i'm not a fan of abortions either, because i DO realise and recognise the potential that a fetus has, i just think a child, adult, a person has more value - and most people, including staunch anti-choicers, instinctively agree with that.

the main difference between us, apart from your religious delusions, is how we see the government's role in this. you support the government infringing upon a women's right to bodily self-determination in order to secure BIRTH, whereas i think that's simply not the government's decision to make, but if a woman CHOOSES to have a child, it should make sure that it has the best possible opportunity to have a safe and healthy childhood (something the overwhelming majority of anti-choice politicians famously don't give a shit about).

Poverty People Make Poverty Choices

How is it an absurd misrepresentation of your stance, when that's literally the argument you're making? You are arguing that more human beings are going to be faced with those circumstances, therefore, my position to let them live is wrong, and your position to let them die is right.

you're doing it again. why is it so difficult for you to be honest (which clearly is the issue here, your reading comprehension isn't THAT terrible) about this? my position is not "let them die" but "let the woman decide IF she wants to have a baby - not the state".

you claimed i'm in favour of aborting fetuses that won't be born into optimal conditions, which is a ridiculous misrepresentation of what my actual stance is, which can simply be described as: IT'S NONE OF YOUR (OR THE GOVERNMENT'S) FUCKING BUSINESS.

explaining to you the real life ramifications, the predictable suffering that the legislation you support will have, in order to dispel your naive little delusion that you're saving lives rather than destroying them, in no way suggests i'm personally in favour of ending those pregnancies - especially since i repeatedly clarified that i don't like abortions, that i support better social safety programs for children and mothers (again, things that the majority of religious anti-choice zealots oppose), and most importantly, recognise it's simply NONE OF MY FUCKING BUSINESS.

how difficult is that really to understand? dis-incentivise abortions, educate your kids, make contraceptives available, tackle the rape issue, support young families, tell republicans that incest is not ok, stop imprisoning so many fathers, properly fund and set up your foster care and adoption system... but don't make women second class citizens, taking away their bodily autonomy, because of your dumb religious feelings. if you don't like abortions, don't have one - but don't tell others how to live their lives. that's theocracy stuff.

or just use contraception lul

you will find that a majority of people opposing abortions also oppose making contraception widely available, or even just educating people properly about sex. it's not a coincidence that america has significantly higher teen pregnancy rates than any of its peers. religious nutjobs rule that shithole, lel.

Who? Name them.

Contraception IS widely available. It can be obtained at any convenience store, grocery store, gas station, etc. Contraception is available pretty much anywhere water is sold, and on a per use basis, is far cheaper.

You're talking nonsense. Trying to say, "You have to pay for me to get laid, or I have a right to commit murder."

How about we do neither. You pay for your own contraception, which is ridiculously cheap, and if you attempt to commit murder, we throw you in a cage, adopt out your child, and treat you like the pariah you should be viewed as?

Everyone has a choice. The choice is: Use birth control, exercise abstinence, or get pregnant. Men have no choice in the matter. One night stand hits a home run, end up the slave to that woman for 18 to 25 years depending on the state, and if for any reason you go any extended period of time without employment, get thrown in a steel cage for nonpayment of child support. If the man is in a long term relationship with the woman, they agree to make the child, and 8 months in, she changes her mind? He has no choice. She murders his child, done deal. Men are on the hook for children they don't want regardless of "choice", and can have their children murdered without recourse. And let's not talk about women going and pulling condoms out of the trash and putting that shit inside themselves inside-out, trying to trap men into child support. I think the case of the celebrity who tossed hot sauce in that shit was wonderful, btw.

Love this, "Women aren't supposed to act like responsible human beings who suffer the consequences of their choices!" shit from the left. What wonderful arbiters of virtue.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jun 24 2022 07:25pm

And if a killer wants to murder someone, it's also "none of your fucking business". I guess you won't be calling the cops on him.