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Jun 18 2017 03:03pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jun 18 2017 10:17pm)
Goal is irrelevant. Means is the only thing that matters. The two are the same in all practical aspects in history.


If that is what you think, you simply do not know what socialism and communism are.
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Jun 18 2017 03:04pm
Quote (Leevee @ Jun 18 2017 05:03pm)
If that is what you think, you simply do not know what socialism and communism are.


Not an argument.

The definition is that the state controls the means of production. This applies to both.
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Quote (Voyaging @ Jun 18 2017 04:02pm)
Interesting take on the subject, with the prediction that automation and improved technology will increase employment availability to an excessive level.


Source: http://scaruffi.com/singular/sin114.html



Yeah, pretty much what I was saying.
It's been this way throughout history. new tech always creates more jobs, than it replaces.

Nice find.

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Jun 18 2017 03:07pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jun 18 2017 11:04pm)
Not an argument.

The definition is that the state controls the means of production. This applies to both.


That is not the definition, that's just one of the properties.

Also, it is indeed not an argument, just like your post wasn't one.

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Jun 18 2017 03:08pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Jun 18 2017 03:02pm)
Interesting take on the subject, with the prediction that automation and improved technology will increase employment availability to an excessive level.


Source: http://scaruffi.com/singular/sin114.html


It will only happen if we revamp the way we do education to increase access, and artificial intelligence doesn't take off.
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Jun 18 2017 03:17pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 18 2017 04:08pm)
It will only happen if we revamp the way we do education to increase access, and artificial intelligence doesn't take off.




We always do. As for AI, the same is true...it will create more jobs than it replaces.




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Jun 18 2017 03:19pm
Quote (Ghot @ Jun 18 2017 03:17pm)
We always do. As for AI, the same is true...it will create more jobs than it replaces.

http://i.imgur.com/YIiAy7s.jpg


Depends how fast AI actually takes off. The real issue is when we automate the automation process, which is what I mean by AI taking off.

Also if we continue to have Republicans and establishment dems being against college for everybody and financial reform we're not going to have the access we need.
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Quote (Voyaging @ 18 Jun 2017 22:02)
Interesting take on the subject, with the prediction that automation and improved technology will increase employment availability to an excessive level.


Source: http://scaruffi.com/singular/sin114.html


Lol yeah, this thought process basically comes from the fact that we are all still working after the industrial revolution. The working hours from that time seem a bit strange, perhaps it indeed is the bias. It can also be a shift from working around the house towards buying services to do the work around your house.

We were able to cope with a 7000%* increase in production, and sell/consume it all. Creating jobs for over 80% of the world's "working capable" population.

To be able to do the automation shift, we'll have to do something similar, and make it durable at the same time. This time, we can't just produce more, without looking at the consequences.

/e *(I am possibly missing 1 more zero here)

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 18 2017 01:19pm)
Depends how fast AI actually takes off. The real issue is when we automate the automation process, which is what I mean by AI taking off.

Also if we continue to have Republicans and establishment dems being against college for everybody and financial reform we're not going to have the access we need.


Why not combine community college with high school? I think it'd be appropriate for most people to stay in school until age 20.
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Quote (thundercock @ Jun 18 2017 06:53pm)
Why not combine community college with high school? I think it'd be appropriate for most people to stay in school until age 20.



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