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Jun 20 2017 01:34pm
Quote (Ghot @ Jun 20 2017 01:26pm)
Actually, that was MY point. The equalization.
You made the topic, you linked the article.

You said approx. 20-50 year time frame, for equalization. I disagreed.

I could go back through the topic and quote all the things you stated, but I'm too lazy.


Liar. I made the point maybe 10 times before u even entered the thread. U didn't know that because u didn't read the thread. I already called u out on that when u didn't know my occupation which is plastered all over this thread maybe 5 times.

That 20 to 50 bit is just garbage, you either misread a generalization or u expanded a specific point to the entire topic. Give a quote and ill let u know what u fucked up.

While you're at it read the whole thread so u know my actual stances and don't waste ur limited Brain power giving me 5th grade history lessons I don't need.

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Jun 20 2017 01:38pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Feb 20 2017 05:43pm)
This.

Research and development expands exponentially with technology. Robots will create MORE jobs in the long run.


Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 20 2017 08:54pm)
If u believe this you're straight up dumber than I even thought possible.

You sound like a flat earther right now.



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Jun 20 2017 01:51pm
Quote (Ghot @ Jun 20 2017 01:38pm)
I rest my case. Bailiff escort him out of the courtroom.


Creating MORE jobs and a society equalizing in a general sense aren't the same thing, there's no gotcha there.

Find me a credible source that thinks automation will create more jobs in total than it replaces and we can continue. Protip: don't come back with a source that says it will create jobs, or new jobs, or lots of jobs. None of those are news to me. None are directly applicable to my point on unskilled baby boomer labor, which u repeatedly failed to grasp.

Or if you're too lazy to find a source why would anyone give a fuck what an old man with basic historical anecdotes thinks? I sure don't.

I'm starting to see ur issue, an inability to detect nuance. You need to oversimplifiy everything then double down because the more specific truth is beyond you. Slow down and pm me if any words trip u up. I look forward to what ever source u find or writing u off for good if this turns into a "listen kids I don't need sources I done lived it. History repeats" conversation. You're simply not smart enough on this topic to carry on without a source.
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Jun 20 2017 01:53pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 20 2017 02:51pm)
Creating MORE jobs and a society equalizing in a general sense aren't the same thing, there's no gotcha there.

Find me a credible source that thinks automation will create more jobs in total than it replaces and we can continue. Protip: don't come back with a source that says it will create jobs, or new jobs, or lots of jobs. None of those are news to me. None are directly applicable to my point on unskilled baby boomer labor, which u repeatedly failed to grasp.

Or if you're too lazy to find a source why would anyone give a fuck what an old man with basic historical anecdotes thinks? I sure don't.

I'm starting to see ur issue, an inability to detect nuance. You need to oversimplifiy everything then double down because the more specific truth is beyond you. Slow down and pm me if any words trip u up. I look forward to what ever source u find or writing u off for good if this turns into a "listen kids I don't need sources I done lived it. History repeats" conversation. You're simply not smart enough on this topic to carry on without a source.




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Jun 20 2017 01:58pm
Quote (Ghot @ Jun 20 2017 01:53pm)
Yep, ketchup bottle.


Is that a term for something that insults u while asking for a source for ur stupid oversimplified assertions?

I'll take ur dodge to mean what i always suspected. You've been speaking out of your old ass and can't take time to understand specifics. Your whole purpose in this thread was to post a string of "youngsters don't know what my life taught me" anecdotes while doing the least work possible. At least u admitted to being lazy.

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Jun 20 2017 06:40pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 20 2017 02:58pm)
Is that a term for something that insults u while asking for a source for ur stupid oversimplified assertions?

I'll take ur dodge to mean what i always suspected. You've been speaking out of your old ass and can't take time to understand specifics. Your whole purpose in this thread was to post a string of "youngsters don't know what my life taught me" anecdotes while doing the least work possible. At least u admitted to being lazy.





Actually my purpose was to refute your assumption that robots would put people out of work. A not uncommon belief, even though it doesn't happen that way.
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Jun 20 2017 07:45pm
Quote (Ghot @ Jun 20 2017 06:40pm)
Actually my purpose was to refute your assumption that robots would put people out of work. A not uncommon belief, even though it doesn't happen that way.


of course it will put people out of work. thinking about the topic that simplistically is idiotic. i can link you to any one of the factories we optimized where they laid people off as proof of such a basic assertion. the quintessential example is the 3d printing factor we turned from a 60 person operation to a 4 man operation.

whether people (and who specifically) will be perpetually out of work, whether people will work as much on average in the coming generation, what fields of skilled labor will emerge as a result, how long it will take some sectors/regions to bounce back from the jobs lost to automation, what types of training programs will be implemented in response, what will be the difference between partial automation, human assisted automation, and full automation, etc

those are all interesting questions that smart people ask. making generalized "we'll get through it because they got through the baseball seaming machine" is white noise. its idiotic old people talk that serves no purpose to the actual conversation. feel free to pick any one of the topics above and i'll be happy to expand on the topic for you to learn. also you need to do a LOT of thinking on the difference between technological advancements that increased the demand for unskilled labor (example: the cotton gin increasing demand for slaves rather than decreasing it while at the same time making each slave more efficient) and automation who's end goal is to eliminate rather than bolster demand for unskilled labor. Then take a long time to think about the cost benefit analysis of training unskilled labor for new positions and the role that working years remaining plays in paying of educational costs.

honestly after reading your post i facepalm'd. if that's as simple, and blatantly wrong i might add, of a point you've been trying to make. my god man, if you dont have respect for me at least have respect for yourself. you're thinking in the kiddie pool on a deep end subject...

every example of automation in the past has left someone behind, be it one person, one town, one county, or a whole occupation. that's the part of your posts you have yet to own. its an important factor.
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