Says guy screaming about "Europe freezing to death" on top of his lungs thus reciting dumbest Russian propaganda meant for the internal audience (the demented and regressed of Russian society)


At least we know what crowd you fit yourself with.

This post was edited by Palasan on Nov 8 2022 12:58pm

I've posted several times why i think it happened, I'm not gonna go too in-depth but it basically boils down to:

1. Security, Russia is a funnel from west -> east. Ukraine is extremely important choke. Major invasions on Russia have opened from that path.

2. New world order, Europe/US was far more accommodating of Russia prior to china's explosive rise, because there was no serious threat to American hegemony. Look up reactions to Georgia 2008, they openly talk about not provoking Russia and preferring good relations with Russia instead of NATO expansion of Georgia. Now there is a serious threat to American hegemony in the name of china, and Americans have decided that they can't pull Russia away from china and that Russia will inevitably align with China. Henry Kissinger talked about this openly recently, but his view is that Russia can be pulled from China and that they have to do it now or it will be irreversible.(he criticized US-leadership for not trying harder to peel Russia).

3. East/South Ukraine is like 70% of ukraine's GDP. Besides the massive production facilities/capacity there is a fuckton of raw untapped materials. There is a large economical incentive. Remember most conflicts have been caused due to economical reasons (Iraq, American coup of Iranian democracy list is endless)

4. When talking about legitimacy, besides being historical land (1922 Lenin Novorossiya, 1954 Crimea), Russia knows that the areas of Kharkov, Donbass, zap, Kherson, Mykolaiv, Odessa although they may not be Pro-Russian 100%, they aren't 100% pro-Ukrainian either. These areas if taken by Russians are "friendly"-enough. This has been proven in zap, kherson, dontesk (there has basically been 0 insurgency).

5. Crimea. Russia needs to hold a land bridge to ensure Crimean security situation.. Furthermore they need to to hold east part of Kherson, so dams can't be to dry out Crimea (the first thing Russians did was blow up the dams).

7. Russia can't watch Donetsk be slaughtered forever. They can't allow the Russian language to be banned in Ukraine and the marginalization of Russians because this is a country on their doorstep, and a country they want in their sphere of influence. This line of thinking is found everywhere, "my backyard", think about the Monroe doctrine.

There are far more reasons, these are just a couple. So saying it is because "hurr durr putin" is stupid is my point.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 8 2022 01:03pm

it's very obvious that the vast majority of ukrainians does NOT want to become russian. their rejection of pootin's puppet had already indicated that, their resolve against his invasion should have prevented a halfway intelligent person to even suggest any kind of legitimacy of pootin's invasion and slaughter of innocent people. try again maybe?

How embarrassingly ignorant. I think I'll join the others who don't bother responding to your nonsense anymore. I hope you can get past whatever issue causes you to act like this.

Yeah, how silly of me to think Europe might have fuel problems this winter, what an unhinged view of reality.

Lol.

crimea is ukrainian though, it's just occupied by russia. justifying a war by saying it's needed to consolidate previous crimes is the definition of idiocy.

as for the rest of your propaganda: by that "logic", every country should invade its neighbour based on some arbitrary point in history, economic incentives, and securing of strategic positions. those aren't justifications, those are war goals. you seem confused...

I didn't expect that. Putin did

try again on your next multi then, you eternally butthurt fail troll, lol.

The majority inhabitants of Diego Garcia doesn't want to leave their homeland too. Your point ?
He who conquers rules. If Putin fucks it up, too bad for him. If Ukraine couldn't push back and claim back their territory well... it sucks. If Ukraine take some of Russia's land when they win , too bad for Russia.

Move the goalposts some more. You asked why Russia invaded Ukraine.

I pointed out the West staged a coup with a source so clear even you should understand.