I thought deng xiaopeng was also responsible for the great leap forward? Or is all blame usually put on mao?

This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 8 2022 11:51am

They are all to be blamed , every single one of them. But nobody really blamed Mao at that point, because he ushered in the Cultural Revolution and blame it on the rightist.
All those commies during that period of time lack any sense of developing a country and always revered the little red book, just like how the Soviets were.

Not just Deng, Mao, Liu Shaoqi, Zhou En Lai ...all of them are to be blamed for one of the worst man made disaster in human history.
But it already happened. There is nothing you can do about it, need to move on.

In a sense, just like what the Japanese did to the entire Asia.. there is nothing you can do about it now.. have to move on and learn and prevent such things from happening in future.

so let me summarise: you don't know what "imperialism" is, you don't know what "whataboutism" means, and you don't have an argument to defend pootin's invasion of ukraine, killing thousands of innocent civilians.

again, no amount of finger pointing justifies this. russia has no legitimate claim on ukraine, their resistance clearly shows that the ukrainians do not want to become part of russia, they'd rather fight and die. not even most of the russian population wanted to fight a war against ukraine, that's why pootin had to keep lying to his people all the time, and is now forcing those who don't have corrupt connections with his oligarchs and toadies to join the military and give their lives for his ambitions.

amuse me, troll - why do YOU think russia invaded ukraine, and does your "reason" justify the countless deaths it caused, the immeasurable suffering, the destruction of cities and infrastructure, the irreparable diplomatic and economic damage?

Were you expecting them to just level the country in 3 days or something? Ukraine was the second largest regional army, equipped by NATO, and trained by them as well. What would a victory look like to you exactly? Ukraine is in ruins now and Russia is holding the territories they set out to claim so....

I wonder how Europe will feel about it this winter? I'm sure the general public will be thrilled to freeze for the glory of Ukraine.

It would help if you knew literally anything about the history of the area and didn't just learn Ukraine existed a few months ago when this started. Maybe you should do some homework before expecting everyone to hold your hand and walk you through the basics.

Rich, coming from you who knows nothing of said basics

Studying math by reading romantic novels > selective moralists perspective on geopolitics

This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 8 2022 12:30pm

just because i reject the profoundly stupid narrative that arbitrary points in history count as legitimate casus belli (by your "logic", mexico would have legitimate claims on US territory, italy on basically the whole mediterranean area, and mongolia on half of eurasia for example), doesn't mean i don't know my history. there are such things as international contracts and recognised sovereign nations. maybe YOU should brush up on some of your basics before exposing your ignorance like that, trying to make excuses for a war trying to redraw international borders, and causing immeasurable suffering trying to do so.

give me your best, totally mature and informed, realpolitik take on the situation then: why did russia invaded ukraine? what is their justification? what would they achieve "winning" this war?

There is no point responding to fender btw, he has proven to be an utter troll in this topic, refuses to state his own views and to my mind looks to find some fault in your argument from which he can stand on his podium as if he is right and you are wrong. he is utterly incapable of debate.