Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 8 2022 08:13pm)

Always remember when ad hominem is being used upon you, the opposition is not worth having a decent , civilized and constructive conversation with. ^_^

Quote (ownyaah @ 9 Nov 2022 01:21)

The strangest part is why moralists care about politics to begin with, it isn't like they are interested in the subject. Is it just to make them feel good about themselves with some false-sense of sympathy?

Quote (ownyaah @ Nov 8 2022 05:19pm)

Ok lets have a look


Finland and sweden were already in "nato", don't listen to me, habeck said so much himself (sweden even supported nato when they bombed libya with gripens).


Probably, the world is entering block-politics where countries will pick sides. Tons of countries like saudi arabia, algeria etc are also aligning by joining brics etc. This has nothing to do with ukraine/russia war and more to do with the new world order.


There is more build up everywhere, because of above mentioned reasons.


Unmeasureable, will be proven after the fact. You are also ignoring the larger picture in all of this, there is expansion of military spending on all sides. (xi ping, for example talking about the army being war-prepared)


There is depletion going on in both sides, and also a massive increase of production. More sanctions? No, sanctions have crippled Europe.


They aren't making as much money as you think, a lot of it is lend-lease, which is questionable when ukraine will be able to pay back. But production is gonna spike either way, only partlybecause of ukraine.


Security interests, economical interests(east-south ukraine is extremely wealthy in industry/untapped raw material), historical lands, water for crimea etc Russians saw an opportunity where the world order is changing and they dared to question the current world order.



moralist -> go hug trees

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 8 2022 08:22pm)

Virtue Signalling.

I can do that too.

I support the "current thing "

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Nov 8 2022 08:24pm)

"More sanctions? No, sanctions have crippled Europe." :lol: :rofl: :bonk:

Keep looting washing machines though, it'll work out.

The world order isn't changing anytime soon, keep dreaming. Putin just shot his load and Russia will have to suckle Chinas regional power tits for the next 100 years. Praying they get the balls to enter the realms of being a world power.

Also laughing that you think it won't be Russia paying war reparations. The west lend leased weapons to Ukraine, and Russian money will pay for it.

Quote (ownyaah @ 9 Nov 2022 01:24)

Probably, that makes sense. Or maybe it is even like following soccer teams? I never really understand how people can care about different sports teams xD

My dad is from probably the most war-stricken place on earth since 1970s, so that is probably why i was interested in politics in the first place. But the point was to understand why things were happening as they were, not to question it. Like there is no point in questioning large macro events, these are things that are sort of like a flowing river.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 8 2022 08:33pm)

My dad escaped just before the cultural revolution in China and went through the great china famine and we have all our properties confiscated.
So same as you I am trying to understand how the world works and how political ideology works and examine how things have changed since then and now.
And how we should take a pragmatic approach to future challenges.

People change, society change. Sometimes you might be the Hero that everyone revere upon but you might also end up being the real villain in the end due to unforeseen circumstances .

Quote (ownyaah @ Nov 8 2022 05:26pm)

The world order has already changed, do you really think russia would've dared to question US in 2005? Or do you think saudi arabia would've dared to backstab biden like he did (he promised him a deal) in 2005? Fucksakes, saudi arabia has even applied for brics running to xi to grant them membership. A country which was top 5 us lap dog.

As for sanctions, there hasn't been any meaningful new sanctions on russia for months because they have already exhausted themselves.

Also why are you so angry? you realise we are merely powerless observers of large-scale events?

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Nov 8 2022 08:39pm)

Yeah the Russians really showed the US by not winning a war against the poorest nation is europe, in their own backyard.

The consequences of Putins 3 day mission into Ukraine, are all of the above mentioned points. Sanctions included.

Considering over 10 million Russians don't have access to clean drinking water it's not a surprise they would loot basic things like washing machines and get themselves killed doing it.

Us crippled Europeans can only hope to match the mighty Russian federation.

Quote (ownyaah @ 9 Nov 2022 01:38)

out of curiosity how is Mao Zedong viewed currently?