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Nov 8 2022 10:34am
Quote (fender @ 9 Nov 2022 00:20)
dumb take. many nations have "inherent political interests", that doesn't mean they invade their neighbours, murder countless civilians, and threaten the world with nuclear war.


They do... USA.. but they don't threaten Nuclear War which is an honorable thing in a sense.
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"russia has no such thing as inherent political interests, everything happens because of evil max X" - lukewarm water server at resturant (08/11/2022)



Anyone who thinks this conflict is the way it is because of non-imperialistic ego of a madman is sick in za head

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They do... USA.. but they don't threaten Nuclear War which is an honorable thing in a sense.


There has been like 10-15 different armed conflicts with 2-4+ active participants involving 2-10(backers) just the last 15 years. It is far from "usa" alone.

Also like i said, it is pointless talking politics here, most here have read like 2 books in their life time and dropped out after HS, the only source of knowledge they have is CNN + marvel movies

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Quote (ownyaah @ 8 Nov 2022 17:25)
Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc enters chat. You telling me all those wars also happened because of big ego putin? Or was it big ego trump/obama/bush? Deathcount of those wars is like what 100x ukraine war. War is just an extension of diplomacy&politics.

No, answer is in all scenarios it was about interests. Whether the leaderships decision turned out as favorable or not is another discussion.

Simplifying conflicts that derive from conflicts due inherent interests as the "ego of X or Y" is the most retarded take of all time. Nobody should entertain such retarded logic, geopolitical conflicts almost always have a root-cause far beyond something so stupid as ego "x or Y". Even if 10 putins die, the conflict would've happened unless there was a massive shift of alliances involved(an example being Russia turning to American puppet-gov). Any russian leadership, that gives a fuck about russian security and national interests will try their hardest from allowing nato to build up on their border with ukraine, this has nothing to do with putin. The only reason they allowed finland, and baltics was because they were in a state of weakness and couldn't do anything about it.

Anyhow im done with d2jsp politics forum, 99% people here have a political level understanding akin to the marvel universe series.


did you honestly think i'd defend american / western imperialism here? no, two wrongs don't make a right. doesn't change the fact that the journalist and political opposition murdering dictator pootin has started a war against ukraine, killing countless civilians, and threatening the world with nuclear war.

no "political interest" justifies that, no matter how many whataboutisms you make.
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Nov 8 2022 10:40am
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There has been like 10 different armed conflicts with 2-4+ active participants involving 2-10(backers) just the last 15 years. It is far from "usa" alone.

Also like i said, it is pointless talking politics here, most here have read like 2 books in their life time and dropped out after HS, the only source of knowledge they have is CNN + marvel movies


I wouldn't say that, but it really sounds quite demeaning to them. :lol:
So what books do you recommend. I have a few that I read recently for the past year.
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Nov 8 2022 10:41am
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did you honestly think i'd defend american / western imperialism here?no, two wrongs don't make a right. doesn't change the fact that the journalist and political opposition murdering dictator pootin has started a war against ukraine, killing countless civilians, and threatening the world with nuclear war.

no "political interest" justifies that, no matter how many whataboutisms you make.


There is no such thing as "imperialism", all imperialism is built on acting in ways to serve the economical/political/military interests of ones nation, that is the point i was making. Very rarely is a war purely "evil" - this is child-level thinking. Almost nobody kills "because it is fun".

And the arguement of whataboutism is inherently evil if you are thinking of a moralist perspetive, it basically allows a pedophile to discuss childrens rights, it is inherently pathological. Also keep morals out of politics, it is such a retarded concept.

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 8 2022 07:40pm)
I wouldn't say that, but it really sounds quite demeaning to them. :lol:
So what books do you recommend. I have a few that I read recently for the past year.


I think reading any history books is good. Also i really like kissingers books, they were my entry-books for geopolitics, he is super biased but if you ignore it and read between the hypocrisy it is extremely valuable in learning how the mechanisms of politics are driven. (diplomacy was great as an example)
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There is no such thing as "imperialism", all imperialism is built on acting in ways to serve the economical/political/military interests of ones nation, that is the point i was making. Very rarely is a war purely "evil" - this is child-level thinking. Almost nobody kills "because it is fun".

And the arguement of whataboutism is inherently evil if you are thinking of a moralist perspetive, it basically allows a pedophile to discuss childrens rights, it is inherently pathological.



Who are you joking? Putin is annexing parts of Ukraine he doesn't even control in the name of Peter the great Catherine other loonies from 500 years ago.

maybe you not know what imperialism is the issue.
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Who are you joking? Putin is annexing parts of Ukraine he doesn't even control in the name of Peter the great Catherine other loonies from 500 years ago.

maybe you not know what imperialism is the issue.


Putin is also helping assad in syria, was damascus founded by cathrine the great? Or is it because of the ports, and strength for russian sphere of influence?

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Putin is also helping assad in syria, was damascus founded by cathrine the great?



Is he annexing it?
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