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Jun 3 2020 09:10pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 3 2020 10:06pm)
The felony murder rule is about the transferred intent and criminal liability. Its not just a description of committing multiple crimes at once or as an accomplice to others- its possible to commit felony murder as a sole perpetrator. The point of the rule is that someone who commits an inherently dangerous felony becomes responsible for the lethal consequences of their actions, even if they weren't intended, even if someone else pulled the trigger- or was shooting at them and missed and hit a bystander. The felony murder rule says that as long as there is a proximate and coherent line of causation between your inherently dangerous felony and someone else's death, you're responsible for it.

An example of a felony murder conviction for one person committing only one crime, would be if an arsonist burns down a building during a riot in minneapolis thinking the building is empty, but someone inside of it burns to death. It wouldn't be first or even second degree direct murder because there's no specific intent to murder, but it can still be felony murder because there's a specific intent to commit arson which a reasonable person would know could endanger lives, and thus be held responsible for it. The underlying felony still exists- arson- but also a murder charge.

There's no way in which the felony murder rule comes into play without an underlying felony. If the murder itself is the underlying crime, then the rule would be redundant. If there's no felony and you didn't intentionally cause their death then its... not murder.


Yeah, I thought you were saying that Chauvin couldn't be charged with murder because of the felony murder rule. If that's not what you're saying we don't have disagreement.
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Jun 3 2020 09:17pm
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According to a Twitter exchange tonight on Nicholas Sarwark's page, even 1st degree murder is attainable.

yeah so this is how the cop who is charged with killing George Floyd via kneeling on the neck walks

they already bumped it to 2nd, rather the charges stick vs a desperate spirit-bomb of a hail mary based on a traffic light analogy
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Jun 3 2020 09:23pm
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yeah so this is how the cop who is charged with killing George Floyd via kneeling on the neck walks

they already bumped it to 2nd, rather the charges stick vs a desperate spirit-bomb of a hail mary based on a traffic light analogy


2nd degree = 40 years, and in all likelihood he doesn't make it 10 inside. either suicide or epstein'd. plenty for this idiot.

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2nd degree = 40 years, and in all likelihood he doesn't make it 10 inside. either suicide or epstein'd. plenty for this idiot.

yeah.. i really hope they dont try and push it. this is close to a slam-dunk with a stepstool aid (it was a slam-dunk with a stepladder at 3rd degree and shaq gets to give you a helping hand)

the other three idiots need whatever it takes to get them 10-20 years each. really hope we see a landmark decision that gives enough cause to set a judicial precedent for locking up cops for acting wantonly like they did when George Floyd died

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yeah.. i really hope they dont try and push it. this is close to a slam-dunk with a stepstool aid (it was a slam-dunk with a stepladder at 3rd degree and shaq gets to give you a helping hand)

the other three idiots need whatever it takes to get them 10-20 years each. really hope we see a landmark decision that gives enough cause to set a judicial precedent for locking up cops for acting wontonly like they did when George Floyd died


Rare moment when Mr. Owl and disembodied head agree
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Jun 3 2020 09:39pm
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Rare moment when Mr. Owl and disembodied head agree

think we can all agree we want to get back to arguing about semantics, personal attacks, and mundane policy. rather than obvious stuff where we all are like “okay just get this one right pretty please”

stay safe out there my friend!
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Jun 3 2020 09:43pm
Lot of pages to read, can someone tell me quickly if ghot defended the cop
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Jun 3 2020 09:58pm
Quote (Bazi @ Jun 3 2020 10:43pm)
Lot of pages to read, can someone tell me quickly if ghot defended the cop


Ghot has avoided the issue like the plague while throwing out posts about how "black people don't have it worse, we all have it bad" and "the number of incidents is super low so its not a problem".
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Jun 3 2020 10:11pm
Quote (Bazi @ 3 Jun 2020 23:43)
Lot of pages to read, can someone tell me quickly if ghot defended the cop

lol
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Jun 3 2020 10:15pm
I don't agree with a lot of these curfew orders across the states. The First Amendment grants people the right to assemble. Most of these orders aren't even going through state or county legislatures, just orders from governors or mayors. The SCOTUS hasn't specifically weighed in on curfews, but the lower courts have, with most rulings saying they are legal but must allow for first amendment rights.

What kind of dystopia do we want to live in where we have reduced or limited ability to protest and assemble? Sure, there is a transient risk of more riots and damage, but I'm more concerned with the long-term effects on our democracy and liberties.
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