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Jun 12 2018 04:25pm
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Washington (CNN)Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein's ongoing battle with House Republicans reached new heights Tuesday, as the No. 2 senior leader of the Justice Department plans to call on the House to investigate its own committee staff.

Rosenstein has butted heads with House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes for months over a subpoena for documents related to the Russia investigation, but the battle spilled out into public view Tuesday after Fox News reported staff on the committee felt "personally attacked" at a meeting with Rosenstein in January.

Justice Department officials dispute the recounting of the closed-door meeting detailed in the story, and Rosenstein plans to "request that the House general counsel conduct an internal investigation of these Congressional staffers' conduct" when he returns from a foreign trip this week, DOJ said.

"The Deputy Attorney General never threatened anyone in the room with a criminal investigation," a Justice Department official said. "The FBI Director, the senior career ethics adviser for the Department, and the Assistant Attorney General for Legislative Affairs who were all present at this meeting are all quite clear that the characterization of events laid out here is false.

"The Deputy Attorney General was making the point -- after being threatened with contempt -- that as an American citizen charged with the offense of contempt of Congress, he would have the right to defend himself, including requesting production of relevant emails and text messages and calling them as witnesses to demonstrate that their allegations are false," the official said.
"That is why he put them on notice to retain relevant emails and text messages, and he hopes they did so."


Another former US official, also present at the meeting, agreed that at no time did Rosenstein threaten any House staff with a criminal investigation.

A spokesperson for Nunes did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The DOJ official said that no formal complaint about Rosenstein's conduct has ever been filed with the House general counsel or inspector general to his knowledge.

While Rosenstein and Nunes have been trading barbs for months for the California Republican's document requests, the two nevertheless went to dinner with a mutual friend on the evening of the January meeting.

Nunes never raised Rosenstein's conduct that evening, the official added.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/12/politics/rod-rosenstein-house-investigation/index.html


I love this guy.
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Jun 12 2018 04:35pm
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I love this guy.


he turned out to be a little nerdy badass didn't he
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I love this guy.


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he turned out to be a little nerdy badass didn't he


Life-long Republican attorney who appointed a Republican-led Special Counsel to look into the firing of a Republican FBI director by a Republican President is now calling to investigate Republican staff for their phony investigation into a Republican presidential campaign.

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Jun 12 2018 08:55pm
https://lawandcrime.com/opinion/mueller-fearmongers-about-election-interference-to-try-to-hide-evidence-from-defendants-in-russian-trolls-case/

another, better writeup of what I was pointing out myself about discovery in the Mueller investigation. I figured I wouldn't be the only one to point out the obvious civil liberty flaws:

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No matter one’s position on the named Russian defendants in the private sector troll farm case, these heavy-handed information-hiding tactics in order to secure a conviction against internet trolls accused of frustrating the democratic is an ironic use of the U.S. legal system.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-12/mueller-seeks-order-protecting-evidence-in-russia-troll-case
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/12/mueller-warns-that-election-politics-meddling-by-foreigners-is-still-happening.html



Civil liberties spidey sense tingling.
Mueller is again seeking to wriggle out from under the concord threat of discovery. First it was delaying tactics and trying to oppose a speedy trial. Then it was gimmicks like dumping terabytes of untranslated russian social media posts into the docket to spam the trial to death. Now he's directly asking the judge to keep the evidence hidden for citing a nebulous national security need, right in the vein of bush/obama, except this time citing the election interference as the threat itself. Except unlike those, this is in the discovery process of a trial

So mueller is effectively trying to restrict the discovery and deny the russians the ability to read the evidence against them. He's doing it by demanding they appear in court first, which he knows they don't want to do and that he'd be trying them in abstentia as is.
On one hand, this is a dangerous civil liberties game he's digging at, trying to both prosecute an entity and deny their right to discovery. They have a right to a speedy trial, they have a right to know the evidence against them. If Mueller can't produce that evidence, his only option should be to drop the charges. That's how it works in our legal system. For him to try to have his cake and eat it too by saying he wants to keep the trial ongoing but refuse to turn over the evidence without conditions is dangerous, even if he's technically worming his way around discovery by making it possible.
On the other hand, we need to look at that old question I've taken so many runs at about Mueller's motivations: Are they political or professional? Is he really the unbiased investigator bringing fair justice, or is the special counsel being used as a political or geopolitical bludgeon? That's where this is worrying. Because as Mueller has laid it out, the Russians could dodge his discovery protection tactic by showing up in court tomorrow. But if they did that, he would have them arrested on the spot and detained so they couldn't return to Russia. He's transparently attempting to coerce them into giving up their discovery by attacking the shield of extradition they've been using to exploit his trial, and while turnabout is fair play and that speaks to some gray area bout civil liberties, what its really damning for is the political implications. Because if all it took was them showing up to thwart his national security argument, the Russians could just send over a sacrifice lamb and seize those materials all the same. To russia its nothing, they have plenty of disposable people. But to Mueller it would be a PR coup, he'd get to say he's making his first Russia arrest. But the interests of his role as prosecutor cannot be that kind of political grandstanding, not if he's truly the consummate professional he's been made out to be. If he was just interested in sorting out the truth behind russian interference and prosecuting it, then its totally irrelevant whether he gets to claim one throwaway ruskie or not. It looks more like he's trying to either avoid being embarrassed by dropping the case or score a victory in optics by seizing some random russian.


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https://lawandcrime.com/opinion/mueller-fearmongers-about-election-interference-to-try-to-hide-evidence-from-defendants-in-russian-trolls-case/

another, better writeup of what I was pointing out myself about discovery in the Mueller investigation. I figured I wouldn't be the only one to point out the obvious civil liberty flaws:


Defendants should have the right to examine the evidence against them. I agree, it seems like Mueller wants it both ways in this case.
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Jun 12 2018 09:31pm
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stereotypical swamp creature when all is said and done
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Jun 12 2018 09:42pm
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stereotypical swamp creature when all is said and done


Why did Donald Trump nominate a swamp creature?
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Jun 12 2018 09:49pm
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Why did Donald Trump nominate a swamp creature?


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Jun 12 2018 09:51pm
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Why did Donald Trump nominate a swamp creature?




Sessions appointed Rosenstein.

/e ...and the 114th Congress appointed Nunes.

This post was edited by Ghot on Jun 12 2018 10:00pm
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Sessions appointed Rosenstein.


Donald Trump nominated Rod Rosenstein to be Deputy Attorney General of the United States.

Here, I'll speak your language: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-justice-deputy-idUSKBN15G2ZS
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