I think you're missing the forest for the trees here....I know it's a salacious detail that shows that Trump is deranged but the most important part of the story is that Secret Service took him to the West Wing even though he wanted to go to the Capitol. Whether or not he physically touched a SS agent is a minor detail. What matters is that WH Counsel knew that members of the administration could be charged with possible crimes but they didn't seem to care. To me, the biggest revelation today was the Trump's statement: "They aren't here to hurt me." I'd like to get some more witnesses who can corroborate that but that significantly increases the chances of Trump getting nailed.

Obviously, the right wing playbook is to focus on a detail and ignore the big picture because the big picture is pretty damning. I think that's likely to work on people like ofthevoid who don't have the intellectual capability to process big picture events.

This post was edited by thundercock on Jun 28 2022 08:43pm

How can you just constantly cling to delusional nonsense like this

the left and their endless excuses...........its also called lying

The credibility of the commission rests on whether or not it's seen as overtly partisan. We know that informed people already know it's partisan, but the wider perception matters. Staging a witness to introduce easily refuted hearsay is a bad look that's going to remind a lot of people of pee tapes and the other salacious, but completely false claims Democratic actors have been making over the last few years. It's a bit of the 'Boy Who Cried Wolf', you can only make so many outlandish statements before you're tuned out.

I would be floored if a partisan committee uncovered serious criminal allegations that law enforcement somehow missed, and which subsequently led to a Trump conviction. That's the sort of delusional talk best kept on MSNBC. I'm not even sure Democrats want that, as Trump running again would be a disaster for Republicans and a boon for Democrats. DeSantis has all of the benefits with none of the drawbacks. Trump is a compromised figure who excites his enemies to vote as much as his friends. The goal here isn't to convince Republicans, who aren't watching, but to rile up the base in the hopes of skiing out a repeat victory against Trump in 2024. ,

Jan 6 was a stupid foolish event. yet they weren’t there to hurt :anyone:
Because if they were it was a timid attempt

Come on, an out of shape, bum-filled, unarmed group of nobodies isnt doing squat. this was never Caesar crossing the Rubicon. if that group wanted to hurt people they would have and if the powers that be wanted to stop it before it happened they would have.

21 people died in the “peaceful protests” of 2020. 1 person was killed by a government agent on Jan 6 2021.

that the left and media made it this way is a tragedy of intellectualism


Ghot and TiStuff wiped the floor with you today and this is your response? okay you do you, junior boomer


at some point reasonable people just let it go but the swamp is not reasonable. its like trying to convict slick willie clinton in late 1999. even tcock is clinging to this notion of “modern colonial rebellion” and for what who knows.

the assassination attempt on Scalise during a charity event was far more violent and effective, but we all said “lol it’s dumb to blame lefties or Barnie for it”.

maybe we should have

This post was edited by excellence on Jun 28 2022 09:55pm

Rofl

The credibility of the committee rests on whether or not they can get the facts straight or not. The committee is bipartisan from the perspective of people who don't follow this stuff closely. That's why Liz Cheney, one of the most conservative members of Congress, is given so much speaking time. Overall, the people are "buying" what the committee is putting out given recent polling. I think McCarthy really screwed the pooch on this one by not taking the committee seriously but he's never been known as a strategist like McConnell.

Why would you be floored at the bold? The DOJ wouldn't be asking the committee for evidence if that was the case. Many of the recent raids are because of evidence uncovered by the committee (and one of the jobs of the committee is to find facts). It does seem unorthodox but the committee seems to have less constraints than the DOJ. I'm not a lawyer but I imagine that the DOJ can't just interview people willy nilly without some sort of probable cause. Congress, on the other hand, doesn't have to worry about that. Even if a crime wasn't committed (and that's certainly possible!) I think it's really important for the people to be informed. If they want to place this issue below a bunch of others, that's fine.

"Nailing Trump" shouldn't be the goal in a vacuum and I think a lot of people on the left only care about that. The goal should be to protect our institutions and the transition of power. I look forward to the recommendations that the committee puts out and hope that Congress acts on them. If they don't make these recommendations, that would certainly be a failure. As for DeSantis being the nominee, that would be great. I'm not sure if the voters are up for it though. That's the main reason why Fox and the GOP Establishment can't rid themselves of Trump. The voters seem to love the guy.

What an incompetent insurrection. Citizens of the most armed country in the world conveniently forgot to bring a single gun to their "violent uprising." Not only that, but the only person killed in the insurrection was an unarmed female veteran. It's almost like the media is lying.

hahahaha its not "insurrection" its.............
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=84646857&f=119

If you would have listened to some of the SS radio brought forward in yesterdays hearing you would know that your post makes you seem like a troll..
They identified many people with firearms but those people didn't want to go past the metal detectors.. exactly to trumps point he want the armed people to be let past the security measures.
"because the weren't there to hurt me"