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some of your posts i completely disagree with but i did LOL at this one :)
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We could of crushed Russia at least 4-5 times in its miserable history, instead we thought that we are dealing with human beings thus helped them get out of mud they where drowning in just for them to get back up and start threatening us again and again.

The terrible famine took place in Russia in 1891. One of the reason was a poor harvest. The other reasons - traditional Russian administrationships. It is necessary to note that there was a system of special grain warehouses in Russia for a case of a poor harvest. The peasants usually were helped by grain from these warehouses in a case of a poor harvest. But at that time, Russia began to intensively sell grain abroad, and pursuing for profits these warehouses were also sold out. It had been registered that about 400 000 peasants had died (the real number is much more because there was not any proper accounting). Traditionally the Russian Government at first did not recognize the existence of hunger and Tzar Alexander III said: "in my country there are no starving people, there are some victims of crop failure". The Russians refused from any assistance from abroad.

But when William Edgar offered the help Russia agreed to accept it. All the America took part in that help to Russia. You can easily read about that in many open sources. Several American ships delivered a lot of food to Russia in Baltic sea.

The amount of help was really huge. By the way, famous Russian marine artist Aivazovsky watched the arrival of the US ships to port of Riga. He had painted two paintings about those events. He gifted the paintings to the Corcoran Gallery. During the Caribean crisis Jacqueline Kennedy placed the paintings in the White House to remind the Russians about that friendly help.

When the Russian Empire did not exist already, the USA traditionally continued to help Russia.

Once again the USA saved Russia from even more terrible famine in 1921-1922. A lot of food and medicine had been delivered to Russia and helped to stop the typhus epidemic that killed tens of thousands of people .

During 1920s-1930s the USA have performed the USSR industrialisation. The company Albert Kahn Associates, Inc. alone had built 571 plants and factories. The total American help resulted in more than 1500 industrial objects. About 200 000 American specialists worked in the USSR at that time.

The next case of the USA help was the WWII. This help was crucial in 1941-1942 years. Just imagine, the USA did not enter the war yet, they remembered that the USSR was a Hitler ally lately, and in spite of this they began to help. Now the Russians downplay the importance of help of the allies during the war. But the fact remains that without the help of the allies, the USSR would not stand the first two years of the war.

During 1990s we basically fed and clothed starving Russians after their utopia dream came crumbling down, helped them re-mold their centralized economy despite having to deal with their savage way of thinking and gangster capitalism they preferred to conduct instead of reforms. Funding 100s of programs in Russia to help them get back on their feet.

This was wrong, no matter how much you help a savage rabies infected dog it will still bite the hand that feeds it in the end.


Not to mention the amount of arms sent to Soviets during WW2 from the Allies. The British were sending convoys constantly. At the risk of their own lives from the German U-boats.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Nov 3 2022 12:53pm
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No and no.


So you are not Saucisson6000?
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Quote (Palasan @ Nov 3 2022 09:41am)
https://i.ibb.co/WfV1J32/main-qimg-54434840ef77334e3cd43edd12dc2cd9-lq-1.jpg

Control panels of Norwegian Kongsberg air defence system vs. Russian S300 missile system. Ruzzian soldier laugh: that picture is from Star Wars franchise!

https://i.ibb.co/Ntw77Kn/main-qimg-0ba6632e4b3fc32504b32a13e3322ed0-lq.jpg

The S-300 was first deployed in the 1970s.

If Ukraine had to rely on NASAMS the Russians would have overwehelming air superiority simply because not enough NASAMS even exist to cover a small portion of the front line. Ukraine air defense is completely reliant on S-300s.

However, I doubt even the S-500 control panel looks like this, for the simple reason that military tech shouldn't look like a video game control panel - it should be functional, robust and easy to train on. I wonder how much money some private contractor in Norway fleeced the government out of to design this system, and how much of the 23 million dollar price tag for a NASAMS goes towards the design firm. Also, every missile costs 1.3 million, so have fun shooting them at drones that cost less than the GPU in my computer.

Quote (ferdia @ Nov 3 2022 10:05am)
some of your posts i completely disagree with but i did LOL at this one :)

Because you're detached from reality. Ukrainian advances ended more than a month ago, which is why Lvivz is here posting wartime rape propaganda, when it was his country that immediately released the Tornado Battalion:

https://mronline.org/2022/08/01/these-are-animals-not-people-zelensky-frees-convicted-child-rapists-torturers-to-reinforce-depleted-military/

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Onishenko’s release follows a February 27 order by Zelensky to free other convicted former Tornado members like Danil “Mujahed” Lyashuk, a fanatic from Belarus who has openly emulated ISIS and boasted of torturing captives for sheer enjoyment. According to Zelensky‘s decree, prisoners with combat experience would be allowed to “compensate for their guilt” by fighting in the “hottest spots.”

Back in 2015, when the Ukrainian state provided official support to his Tornado Battalion, Onishenko texted two fellow “patriots,” Voldomor and Svetlana Savichuk, propositioning Svetlana Savichuk to “suck my cock in front of the [toddler] children.” (See screenshots of the conversation here). He also asked Savichuk to perform lewd acts on her children for his viewing pleasure. Despite the magnitude of his crimes, which included torture, murder, rape – including that of children – kidnapping, amputation, and more, Onishenko was sentenced to a mere 11 years in prison on April 11, 2017.

Now, after serving just five years of his sentence, the convicted predator has been freed by a president hailed by Western patrons as a defender of democracy.

Zelensky’s move is not just a signal of desperation as his military is ground down by Russian forces in the east. It extends the virtual impunity that Ukrainian battalions infested with hardened criminals and neo-Nazis have enjoyed for over eight years as official enforcers of the post-Maidan regime’s rule.


Unlike the things described above by Ukrainian propagandists speaking to a Western media system that believes and prints every single lie, no matter how egregious and nonsensical, we know about these Tornado Battalion guys from court documents and seized private communications.

Everyone should be glad that the fascists murderers and rapists who make up the right-wing paramilitary and official military backbone of the Kiev regime will no longer be able to predate upon the minorities they so despise in the formerly Ukrainian South. Do you agree with that, , or do you patiently await the triumphant return of Onishenko to Mariupol and Donetsk?

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Nov 3 2022 11:50am)
Not to mention the amount of arms sent to Soviets during WW2 from the Allies. The British were sending convoys constantly. At the risk of their own lives from the German U-boats.

Lend lease amounted to less than 5% of Russia's own wartime production.

Britain's major contribution to WW2 was to help it happen by refusing to sign a mutual defense treaty against Germany (Britain, France and the US all believed that Hitler would fight the hated commies and leave 'Europe' alone, so didn't want to hinder that), and to soak up bombs for a few years while posing a landing threat forcing Germany to keep some forces on the Western front that could have otherwise be used against Russia.
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Read today that putin's russians are accelerating Kherson evacuation. there are videos around of Ukrainian avance day by day. They keep going.
Btw the winter will be harsh for russians soldiers too, not sure they will have the same level of packages (good quality food) that EU & WEST is providing to ukrainians citizens AND soldiers...

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Read today that putin's russians are accelerating Kherson evacuation. there are videos around of Ukrainian avance day by day. They keep going.
Btw the winter will be harsh for russians soldiers too, not sure they will have the same level of packages (good quality food) that EU & WEST is providing to ukrainians citizens AND soldiers...


they definitely wont. Ukraine is getting the best in the world, Russia is getting the best made, in Russia.
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they definitely wont. Ukraine is getting the best in the world, Russia is getting the best made, in Russia.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc1DPTZ_cWk


Good it's what Russians deserve.
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‘My son has died’: Russia mourns loss of first drafted soldiers in Ukraine

As newly mobilised men return from the front in coffins, critics complain of aggressive recruiting, low morale and poor training



Andrei Nikiforov, a lawyer from St Petersburg, was one of the hundreds of thousands of Russians mobilised since last month to hold the frontlines in his country’s faltering war in Ukraine.

On 25 September he received his call-up papers. By 7 October, just two weeks later, he was dead.

“We don’t know what happened,” said Alexander Zelensky, the head of the Nevsky Collegium of Lawyers, of which Nikiforov was a member. Zelensky and a member of Nikiforov’s family confirmed his call-up and death. “All we have is a date and a place.”

That place was Lysychansk, one of the most dangerous spots near the frontlines.

The first coffins are now returning to Russia from Ukraine, bringing the remains of ordinary Russians who at first were promised a quick “special military operation” and now have been drafted to go and fight in a war. Their deaths may mark another inflection point for Russia in this conflict, where mismanagement has led to Kremlin infighting and at least half a million men have been drafted or fled their homes to avoid it.

The newly minted soldiers died within weeks of Vladimir Putin’s mobilisation announcement on 21 September. On Thursday, the Chelyabinsk region announced the deaths of five mobilised soldiers from a single military commissariat. Reports on Saturday said that another four had died from the Krasnoyarsk region alone. Family members of some men who died said they had been promised two months of training before they would be sent to the frontlines.

According to BBC Russian, another 14 have died, even before reaching the front, of causes including suicide, heart attacks, in fights and other mysterious ailments.

Nikiforov, by contrast, played the role asked of him by the Kremlin: loyal, willing and able. A military veteran who had served in Chechnya, he wasn’t surprised to be called up.

“He didn’t hesitate,” said Zelensky, adding that military recruiters had delivered his call-up papers to his home. “He didn’t try to get out of his service. He gathered his things together and went. He acted bravely.”

Yet deaths happening so quickly, some just days after men have been called into service, have caused anger at home.

Alexei Martynov, a 28-year-old employee of the Moscow government, was mobilised on 23 September, his father said. His death was confirmed on 10 October. “My son has died, what am I for?” he wrote in a post on 13 October. “We don’t know anything more than what was put on the internet,” he told the Observer.

Old photographs from Victory Day in 2016 showed Martynov in army uniform, two months after completing his mandatory service. According to Natalya Loseva, the deputy editorial director of the RT television channel, he had served in the Semyonovsky regiment, whose main activities are ceremonial.

“He had no combat experience,” Loseva wrote in an angry post last week that made Martynov the highest-profile death yet from the wave of mobilisation. “He was sent to the front within just a few days. He died heroically on 10 October.”

Roman Super, a Russian journalist who has reported on anger among state employees, said that Martynov’s death had led to a backlash among the educated cadres of city workers.

“Military leaders, now is not the time to lie,” wrote Loseva. “You have no right to lie and now it is a crime.”

Anger at Russia’s military leadership had led to considerable infighting in the Russian government, with an insurgency led by Chechnya head Ramzan Kadyrov and the Wagner private military company founder Yevgeny Prigozhin calling out individual commanders by name for their failure to halt the Ukrainian advance.

Now, with the impact of mobilisation beginning to be felt on the home front, Putin has been forced to defend the process, telling Russians the call-ups are likely to conclude in two weeks and he will order an inquiry into violations of draft procedures.

“The line of contact is 1,100km, so it is almost impossible to hold it exclusively with troops formed from contractors,” said Putin. “This is the reason for mobilisation.”

At a press conference in the Kazakhstan capital of Astana on Friday, he said that 16,000 mobilised troops were already fighting in Ukraine, and that 222,000 Russians had already been called up.

He said that mobilised Russians would receive basic training of five to 10 days and then unit training of five to 15 days. Then combat training would continue, he claimed.

Yet some of the deaths clearly show that men have been shipped off to war far more quickly than that. Several Russian soldiers captured by the Ukrainians claimed that they had received almost no training whatsoever.

Meanwhile, Russian draft officers are becoming far more aggressive. The Observer has spoken with the relative of a man in Moscow who was detained on city streets and summarily served call-up papers. In another case, an IT worker complained that his exemption from the draft was ignored and that he wasn’t even allowed to say goodbye to his wife and four-month-old daughter before being sent for basic training.


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Reality: Russia has dropped any movement towards punishing draft dodgers because there were so few and they had no effect.

Western media: We found 14 people who died out of 300,000 mobilized and this proves Russia is falling apart.
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